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Post by spitfire740 on Feb 26, 2009 22:45:10 GMT -5
There was another planned attack on America that never was fulfilled, but steps were taken in the ladder years of the war. I dont want to get into things too deeply, but Valerio Borghese and the Italian Frogmen of the Tenth Light Flotilla began preparations for a long-range 2 part submarine attack on New York City. It wouldnt have been very damaging, but had they been able to hit the US, it would have struck alot of fear in the citizens.
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Post by vigo on Feb 27, 2009 12:16:23 GMT -5
American Army-- I often hear how "it took so many years for the Americans and British to defeat the Germans". The fact of the matter is that it was a matter of mobilization. The American forces combined (Army, USAAF, Navy) were a real juggernaut. The question would be a bit closer had the Germans not attacked the Russians, but they made that foolish move. Considering the Americans fought a 2 front war and ultimately gained a full measure of victory on both, I have to go with them. Brits fought a two front war as well... Click They did, but were not nearly as successful as the US in doing it. Also yes, the Germans fought on multiple fronts, but lost. I think the two strong men, as the post war order seems to have confirmed, were the US and the USSR. I go with the US.
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Post by Medic on Feb 27, 2009 15:35:04 GMT -5
Explain why you think the US over the USSR please.
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Feb 27, 2009 16:12:17 GMT -5
I pick the U.S. of A., my favourite army. (and country!)
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Post by click on Feb 27, 2009 18:40:35 GMT -5
101st airbourne and 29th infantry owned all Um...no. Before BoB, everyone who reenacted airborne (note the correct spelling) reenacted the 82nd simply because they fought a heck of a lot more than the 101st (who didnt really show up until Normandy) and kicked German butt in the process. Click
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Feb 28, 2009 3:04:35 GMT -5
"Airbourne" is a correct spelling in the UK... definately / st mary aglise Ok, I've am like fed up with this poor spelling. Words such as 'definitely' I really don't mind, people often have trouble with this, (including myself), but misspelling battles? Or even the word 'American'? (a past thread) If you are going to mention something important like that, please take 10 seconds out of your damn day and Google that particular word. The search engine will immediately come up with the "did you mean _____" and then bam, there is the correct spelling in all it's glory. Please... for the love of...
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Post by click on Feb 28, 2009 8:18:30 GMT -5
"Airbourne" is a correct spelling in the UK... The 101st isnt a British unit though... They did, but were not nearly as successful as the US in doing it. They weren't as big as the US. If they were... Explain why you think the US over the USSR please. The US had nukes... (or at least the technology) Click
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Feb 28, 2009 16:13:41 GMT -5
The 101st isnt a British unit though... I know, I was just trying to defend him a tad bit...
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Post by pretzeljager on Feb 28, 2009 16:26:04 GMT -5
Obviously it was the French....hahahahaha...that was a good one.
101st is the MOST reenacted unit of ALL..so I go 82nd.
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Post by click on Feb 28, 2009 18:32:42 GMT -5
The 101st isnt a British unit though... I know, I was just trying to defend him a tad bit... I know you know, I was trying to be sarcastic... Click
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Feb 28, 2009 22:29:56 GMT -5
I know you know, I was trying to be sarcastic... Oh ok! ;D
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Post by volkssturm on Mar 1, 2009 2:02:35 GMT -5
Explain why you think the US over the USSR please. The Russians did a lot more dying and suffering than the US. Gotta give them credit for being tough SOB's. They most likely killed considerably more Germans than the Western Allies. On the other hand, without Lend-Lease, the Russians would have been hurting for radio and telephone equipment, machine tools, metal alloys, trucks (approximately a half million), and about ten percent of their aircraft and tanks. The Russians didn't think much of the American tanks, compared to their t-34s, but having them freed up T-34s for other uses. Also, the Anglo-American bomber offensive forced the Germans to commit large numbers of anti-aircraft artillery, including the 88's, and fighter aircraft to defending the Reich. Some historians have said that the bomber offensive actually constituted the real Second Front. How would the American Army have fared facing off one on one with the Germans? I think the Americans have gotten something of a bad rap because of the nature of the war in the ETO. Until D-Day relatively few American troops had fought the Germans, and those units had experience in North Africa and Italy, which was different than the conditions in France. Large numbers of Americans only fought large numbers of Germans from June '44 through April '45, and through that whole period completely inexperienced untis were being fed into the theater. The Germans, on the other hand, had cadres of officers and nco's with 3, 4 or 5 years of combat experience and tactical doctrines that had been evolving in nearly continuous combat. If there had been a Western Front that allowed American divisions to be employed against the Germans as they arrived from late '42 on I think American proficiency would have improved more rapidly. Among other things, the deficiencies in the Sherman tank would have been identified and corrected much sooner. This was to some extent the situaiton in the PTO, where Marines and Army, starting at Guadalcanal and New Guinea, were in almost continuous combat with the Japanese, and as a consequence benefited from an increasing pool of experienced troops and weapons and tactics that improved with each operation.
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Post by Karl on Mar 1, 2009 15:49:38 GMT -5
If WWII was fought on I one front, no PTO, no MTO, no Eastern Front, if Pearl Harbor never happen, Germany didn't invade the USSR, Operation Sea Lion successful, one on one with the Americans, the US would win, evantually atleast. Reasons for my opinion: -The USMC of coarse. ;D -Miles of Atlantic Ocean -Nukes, Evatually -Superior production, once airfields are taking up in Europe to bomb Germany
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Mar 1, 2009 16:05:11 GMT -5
101st airbourne and 29th infantry owned all......................go battle of the bulge and st mary aglise LOL. I thought about giving an explanation about how daft that statement is, but then I realized that there are already documentaries, books, and classes about WWII history. -Tim
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Post by Karl on Mar 1, 2009 16:19:24 GMT -5
Does anyone know how effective the M26 Pershing was against the Germans, or was it a little too late to have an effect.
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Post by m1a1airbourne on Mar 1, 2009 19:35:33 GMT -5
re:Ok, I've am like fed up with this poor spelling. Words such as 'definitely' I really don't mind, people often have trouble with this, (including myself), but misspelling battles? Or even the word 'American'? (a past thread)
If you are going to mention something important like that, please take 10 seconds out of your damn day and Google that particular word. The search engine will immediately come up with the "did you mean _____" and then bam, there is the correct spelling in all it's glory.
i can see that i have been spelling airborne wrong (like airbourne); however i have seen spelled both ways before....why?
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Post by m1a1airbourne on Mar 1, 2009 20:18:40 GMT -5
sorry....29th infantry fought in the battle of Saint Lo France....
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Post by m1a1airbourne on Mar 1, 2009 20:25:13 GMT -5
thats what i meant not...St. Mere Eglise
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Post by pretzeljager on Mar 1, 2009 21:15:02 GMT -5
Because, Mr. M1A1Airbourne:
Airbourne is British
Airborne is American.
I hope I have undoubtly answered your question.
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Post by volkssturm on Mar 1, 2009 21:45:01 GMT -5
Does anyone know how effective the M26 Pershing was against the Germans, or was it a little too late to have an effect. I just finished "Armored thunderbolt" by Steven Zaloga. It's mostly about the Sherman, but he talks about the development of the M26 and has a chapter about its deployment. The first 20 arrived in January '45. Because of the need to train crews on them they didn't get into combat until Feb. 25. The first one was knocked out (but repaired) the next day when a Tiger ambushed it, but the next day a Pershing took out two PzKpfws at 1200 yards and a Tiger I at 900 yards. The 90mm gun was not as good as the 88 but was equal or better than the Geman 75mm. Overall the Pershing was more than a match for Panther. Unfortunately they arrived too late to really make a difference. Good book. I recommend it. Lots of stuff I didn't know about the Shermans. Like, it wasn't the gasoline that made earlier Shermans brew up. It was the way they stored the ammunition.
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Post by Adler69 on Mar 2, 2009 0:34:07 GMT -5
Does anyone know how effective the M26 Pershing was against the Germans, or was it a little too late to have an effect. The best known battle on which an M26 took part is the Battle for Cologne , here's a good video of the M26 in action during the battle www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEqwLLFNC3w
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Post by zzs8mm on Mar 4, 2009 16:36:47 GMT -5
Did China fight in WW2?
huh, I can't remember.
China!!!!!!!!!!
Man I definately need to promote Chinese involvment in WW2.
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Post by pretzeljager on Mar 4, 2009 17:57:40 GMT -5
The Japanese attacked the Chinese as early as 1931 ( Correct me if I'm wrong ).
The Japanese used the Chinese resources because the literally didn't have any.
After they attacked Pearl Harbor, they concentrated on the U.S.
Does that answer your question?
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Post by MAS on Mar 4, 2009 19:23:22 GMT -5
I know that only part of china was occupied because we had air bases there very Early on I think there may have been something about some Chinese being enemies other Friends but I may be wrong, try googling it.
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Post by Medic on Mar 4, 2009 19:29:29 GMT -5
Who voted for Italy? They really didn't do anything.
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Post by MAS on Mar 4, 2009 20:06:19 GMT -5
Italy did do some fighting so have some respect anyways no one voted for them look closely.
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Post by spitfire740 on Mar 4, 2009 20:55:44 GMT -5
Who voted for Italy? They really didn't do anything. Uhhhhhh You had better delete that message quickly or I'm gonna have a applesauce fit. Hit the books boy, they were on every front in the war minus the Pacific. P.S. I think im holding in my anger very well, don't ya think?
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Post by Medic on Mar 4, 2009 20:57:58 GMT -5
What did they do? I honestly heard they were not valuable to the the axis and just surrendered. After all, they surrendered the day before we invaded them. No really, what did they do?
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Post by Nimlas on Mar 4, 2009 21:01:39 GMT -5
Who voted for Italy? They really didn't do anything. Uhhhhhh You had better delete that message quickly or I'm gonna have a applesauce fit. Hit the books boy, they were on every front in the war minus the Pacific. P.S. I think im holding in my anger very well, don't ya think? Be nice, he's only 11!! ;D
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Post by spitfire740 on Mar 4, 2009 21:08:09 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? I'm only going to name the most famous cases because this kid is really going to make me lose my mind.
We'll start early war, such as the invasion in France, 1940 - Fought in the southern moutains of the Maginot.
Mediterranean, Italian Naval forces crippled the British navies at Alexandria, Gibralter, Malta, to name a few
N. Africa - THERE WERE MORE ITALIANS THAN GERMAN FORCES PRESENT IN AFRICA - El Alamein was a defensive outpost that coved Rommel's ass when he retreated completely screwing over the Italians
Invasion of Greece - A front started comletely by the Italians. A very dumb move by Mussolini, but a very BIG BIG BIG event
1943 - Italy surrenders, you think they just sat out they rest of the war?
RSI - Mussolini's puppet government, some 200,000+ troops made up the RSI, fighting in Russia and Italy.
Russia - 1943-45: Italian ARMIR the only axis force that was able to break through the Russian lines and escape obliteration. That which Germans were unable to do.
Thats just to name a few. It was called a Tripart pact, not a duo pact. Your welcome
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