Nimlas
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Post by Nimlas on May 28, 2008 21:08:20 GMT -5
Aren't you supposed to remove your hats inside?
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Post by CharleyNovember on May 28, 2008 21:14:42 GMT -5
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YankeeDiv26
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 28, 2008 21:21:47 GMT -5
Important things first
General Military etiquite. I see 3 guys in hats indoors and not one of them has a firearm. Excuse?
Smaller things. Trooper on the right: Cut your belt so it's the proper length, fix your gig line, roll down your sleeves. take your cap off or get a firearm.
Trooper on the left: Fix your gig line, cut your belt so it's the proper length. button your shirt properly. Roll down your sleeves. Take your cap off or get a firearm.
One of you two looks like you have your belt on backwards.
Cary: Take those medals off unless you actually earned them in the military! Fix your tie, and if that hand is actually in your pocket, take it out. I believe you're only allowed to have your thumb or your index and middle fingers in pockets. No more.
Really anal minutia: Smoke detector, possibly the speaker thing too.
If you're going to wear a military uniform in a non-combat impression, dress like a soldier. ESPECIALLY if vets are present.
<YD>
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azeeze
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Post by azeeze on May 28, 2008 21:24:52 GMT -5
We had the hats on because we were doing a display, not one veteran complained about it. I agree with following military etiquette , as i do so at reenactments, I found it appropriate for display though. -Nick
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Post by Tough Ombre on May 28, 2008 21:32:10 GMT -5
Yankee *I strongly disagree* on the qualifications bars... those were my grandfathers and they will be worn on my uniform till the day i die... As for the hats, i believe Azeeze explained it well. Infact i had a vet tell me to put my hat on as it looked nicer for the display. As for the hand in the pocket...its just the thumb hooked in.
Also.. whats all this with the "haircuts" not EVERY damned GI had close cut... Do you want me to start showing pictures, my hair is cut almost exactly how the average gi seems to have his hair cut.
-Cary *live with it~CN
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Post by CharleyNovember on May 28, 2008 21:36:51 GMT -5
I don't think that was the proper response to his objection over your medals Cary.
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azeeze
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Post by azeeze on May 28, 2008 21:40:09 GMT -5
They got their caps on, hell the real Army got their caps on indoors in that photo. And the guys without weapons got their caps on.
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Post by Tough Ombre on May 28, 2008 21:44:14 GMT -5
I think it was proper... look at Gyrenegreens class a's.. he has qualifications on... did one person tell him to take those off? Or... how about on the reenactor board... people think they act like jag offs on there... well... a kid posted pictures and he was wearing a CIB.. only ONE person said anything about it and it was in a very personable manner...
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azeeze
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Post by azeeze on May 28, 2008 21:47:18 GMT -5
I think they are proper, He has no medals that are any award of valor. He is a reenactor, if he aint wearing purple hearts or bronze stars It is acceptable. I think what he is wearing is appropriate and should be worn, every rifleman had one or hell they wouldnt be rifleman . It is a basic necessity for class A's. -Nick
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Post by Tough Ombre on May 28, 2008 21:53:06 GMT -5
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YankeeDiv26
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 28, 2008 21:53:45 GMT -5
Can I modify my post so that it says that CharleyNovember? ;D That way Cary wont seem out of line or wrong.
I'm not trying to tell you guys that you're evil nazi's because you chose not to wear the uniform the way the FM's tell you to or that there is absolutely no valid reason to be dressed like you were. It's just that when you submit something o the stitch-knot-see thread you're expected to take the comments/questions/criticisms, and it's okay to admit something just isn't right. Things like setting up your gig-line or taking your caps off are VERY black and white, not something that needs deep interpretation on a situation to situation basis.
Saying a vet or someone said it would look cooler doesn't necessarily make it more authentic, it may have been acceptable to do there, but probably not in the stitch-knot-see thread.
I'll agree to disagree on the awards subject, its touchy to say the least and doesn't need to be discussed in this thread. I didn't know roll'over's applied to Military awards and medals though...I could go get 3 CIB's and put them on my Class A's by that rule, but I think I'll save that honor to the men that earned them. Again, agree to disagree, I dont feel like arguing over it.
I got no problems with the hair either. GI's with longer hair was fairly common.
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azeeze
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Post by azeeze on May 28, 2008 21:54:57 GMT -5
And about the belts yankee there aint no right our wrong way, look at the photos above cary posted, same with the buttons and the sleeves, look above they got there sleeves rolled up some what. -Nick
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Post by CharleyNovember on May 28, 2008 22:07:17 GMT -5
*sigh* I know you do...thats half the problem....
YD~ No please don't continue along those lines. Cary~ Good photos to back up your haircuts. I could only find the one but I didn't have to look long to find it. US haircuts were a lot less high and tight as they are now.
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Post by CharleyNovember on May 28, 2008 22:59:17 GMT -5
Great I'll comment first. I wouldn't do it myself but I wouldn't bitch at someone for doing it. If you feel comfortable with it then do it. I wear Sgt. stripes but was never more than a PFC in the Army. I do it because I am old and figured I would probally be a Sgt. by this age in the army. no other reason as I am not a rank whore. I would not however wear CIB or any other medal of this country I did not earn. Just my choice.
As a mod please let me say do not let this get out of hand....
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Post by binarypunisher on May 28, 2008 23:17:24 GMT -5
My point about the haircuts is that it looks dumb when you have curls popping out of the front of your hat, sorry.
And showing pictures of guys in the field is completely not the same as showing pictures of guys in Class A's.
I guess by that logic I could post a pic of me in Class As unshaven, and then say it was done and use photographic evidence from the field to back it up.
As far as the medals go...I kinda side with GG on this. A Class A jacket with nothing on it looks silly, and its wrong.
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Post by flectarn on May 28, 2008 23:50:33 GMT -5
They got their caps on, hell the real Army got their caps on indoors in that photo. And the guys without weapons got their caps on. If you notice, YD said to " get a firearm". Possible this is why they are wearing their garrison caps indoors? I am by no means an expert on US militaria what so ever and, if I may say so myself, neither are a lot of us! However, judging by these photos; they are hardly, at best, "stich nazi" photos.
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Adler69
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Post by Adler69 on May 29, 2008 0:07:26 GMT -5
The photo with the 45th ID/Brigade troops above is of an Honor Guard , they need to have their caps on , that is the only time you can have hats or caps on indoors without a firearm , military etiquette (?) as i was taught is that you remove your caps indoors , hell i do it to this day , whenever i go into a place of business i remove my hat if i am wearing one.
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Post by Tough Ombre on May 29, 2008 11:08:06 GMT -5
My point about the haircuts is that it looks dumb when you have curls popping out of the front of your hat, sorry. And showing pictures of guys in the field is completely not the same as showing pictures of guys in Class A's. I guess by that logic I could post a pic of me in Class As unshaven, and then say it was done and use photographic evidence from the field to back it up. As far as the medals go...I kinda side with GG on this. A Class A jacket with nothing on it looks silly, and its wrong. Well if you look at the pictures i posted, They all show long hair, but in the same style. Im not saying that thats how i should look for class a's more or less, just illustrating the style. I also put pictures of guys in Class B's and C's below, if you want i will go through my collection and get photos of guys in class A's and B's only. -Cary
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Post by CharleyNovember on May 29, 2008 13:09:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry I just don't see the haircuts you guys have as a problem. If you had long emo hair hanging out you would just suck but you don't. I think you look fine in the hair dept. The goofy grins though. Those have to go.
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2nd Bat
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 29, 2008 21:44:06 GMT -5
The US Army was an organization filled with citizens who were quite rebelious by nature. As a group they shirked and avoided as much regimentation as they could get away with. Few were the gung ho elites many of you seem to assume they were. Strack lines, proper haircuts, polished boots and correctly aligned head gear was the exception not the norm. Willie and Joe was the field appearance and if they could get away with it, garrison appearance as well. There were exceptional units of course and there were excepotional soldiers who took in all the regimentation and regulations and reacted accordingly but most soldiers were just putting in their time get the war over and anxious to get out of the Army.
Hands in the pockets and proper hat etiquette as well as military courtesy was fairly engrained but by no means universal. To this day I can't walk with another person (including my wife) without feeling the need to be in step and I generally refrain from putting my hands in my pockets and react to airsofters who do. I was an Army brat and pretty much lived and breathed anything Olive Drab but most soldiers didn't. Especially in WW2.
With that said which soldiers do we wish to depict? The average Joe or the strack professional soldier? I think most vetrans no matter which type they were will be impressed with the strack soldier although they love seeing the field soldiers that look like the cat drug them in.
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gadge
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Post by gadge on May 30, 2008 4:53:35 GMT -5
Glad its not just me who always feels the need to be in step (even with my Lady too!)
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Jun 3, 2008 8:32:07 GMT -5
I think that while these things can be supported, it shouldnt be in the 'stitch-nazi' section....the idea of the 'stitch-nazi' section is to have period looking backgrounds as well as a solid authentic impression and this just doesnt have it. The only thing I would add is my personal pet peeve - OS caps worn straight - just tilt it a little and you'll be fine....other than that I dont think that the hair thing is even that big a deal, a GI would fix his hair for a pposed pic or a portait, but might not get a chance for a quick snapshot....
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Post by Tough Ombre on Jun 6, 2008 9:53:37 GMT -5
Gadge... stunning as usual! -Cary
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gadge
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Post by gadge on Jun 7, 2008 10:09:10 GMT -5
Cheers Cary
This loadout goes to show that wwii loadouts needn't be either hot and uncomfortable or expensive.
Most the kit is jungle green fatigues in a lightweight material (one of the shirts is simply a khaki version)
For the trousers, jackets and shirt its about £50 posted to your door and tailor made by replicators.
Webbing and gaiters were about £15 all told, pair of £20 ankle boots and a clone thompson is what, about 100 quid?
So all except the hat for about £200 (the hat costs about £25 but you could do it with a £5 commando cap and look as accurate).
edit: oh and the jumper was £3! from primark as they were weirdly selling wwii pattern jumpers in the right colour this season...BHS also do a similar one.
The most expensive thing there is the no4 lee enfield (it should really be an SMLE) but with someone now doing customs SMLE's thats even cheaper...
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TommyGunner
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Post by TommyGunner on Jun 13, 2008 12:38:36 GMT -5
Gadge, I just want you to know that I always look forward to seeing your British impression pictures. They always look great!
TommyGunner
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gadge
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Post by gadge on Jun 13, 2008 13:24:57 GMT -5
Thank you very much.
I'm looking at doing eighth army 'desert rats' next.
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Post by waldo on Jun 27, 2008 17:47:18 GMT -5
Excellent pictures Paul! Its good to see more people from the reenactor board on here. I like the 41 on the back of your cartridge belt, its always the little things like that that make a great impression. -Nick
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click
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Post by click on Jun 28, 2008 8:26:00 GMT -5
Great looking stuff M1, but cut them sideburns! ;D
Click
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YankeeDiv26
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Jun 28, 2008 9:36:09 GMT -5
Paul,
you look great man. I've always heard the same thing from vets. My great uncle (a 101st IR vet) said he went without a pack the entire time he was in combat, just his gasmask bag and a blanket roll to carry things.
Great to see another guy from the YD hop to this forum.
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Sgt_Tom
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jul 8, 2008 10:50:40 GMT -5
Nice Impression Charles! Now lets see that Ranger Impression next. ;D
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