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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 17, 2013 23:35:19 GMT -5
its that reality that had me looking very carefully at that very area. On the rifles I built using wood stocks I had to reinforce the inner liner of the neck area with fiberglass and even with that, some split. I have no issue with the added thickness. it is barely noticeable and functionally worthwhile. i suspect the wood they use on these rifles will be the typical light ash or pine
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Post by mastermike95 on Jan 18, 2013 13:59:57 GMT -5
I have no idea which garand to get. Idk If I should take the opportunity now and preorder the ICS m1 on evike or wait and see wat the G&G has to offer. I'm so curious to why they covered the g&g reciever at the shotshow. I bet the g&g is electric blow back cuz idk wat else would make it better than the ICS.
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Post by Rekkon on Jan 18, 2013 14:18:04 GMT -5
One of the G&G videos said they are going to do a full reveal at IWA in March.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 18, 2013 15:50:46 GMT -5
G&G haz moore cowbell....
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 18, 2013 16:22:37 GMT -5
I will acquire both as my long standing quest to beg, cajole, coerce and encourage companies to produce one dictate that I reward their efforts. I will put my money where my mouth and keyboard fingers have been. You can be assured that a detailed one to one comparison report will be posted as soon a one is possible and will be followed with on going reports on long term characteristics.
im guessing as with all things, there will be pluses and minuses with each but based on early released information they both look to be addressing our needs and will scratch a long term itch.
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Post by Terd Ferguson on Jan 18, 2013 20:35:32 GMT -5
Gomer from Evike mentioned that the tape on the G&G would be cut today (1.18.13). Anyone hear if this indeed occured and what might be hiding?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 18, 2013 21:14:30 GMT -5
I suspect the release date is so distant that they wanted to calm the hype and i likewise suspect they dont want to detract from the initial success of the ICS which they are currently selling as a pre sale and no doubt would love to have all spoken for before they arrive or be able to increase the order numbers and enjoy an improved economy of scale.
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Post by whiterook on Jan 30, 2013 9:30:49 GMT -5
With the ICS being $400 +/- ... I'm going to wait to see what the G&G price point will be ... a little competition will be a good thing for the community.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 30, 2013 14:08:03 GMT -5
I agree. It appears they both have an intended price point around $400.00 with the ICS closer to $300.00 and the GnG probably $100 or so higher. ($330.00 to $430.00) The fact that we will soon have TWO garand AEG offerings from full on commercial companies is incredible and will serve our community well. Both seem to be stand alone unique designs of the same weapon with varied approaches. Both have been a long time in development and appear to be well thought out. I cant wait. Im sure each will have their own upsides and downsides. This new reality will have a greater impact on our community than any other offerings to date. The original Marui Thompson and Tanaka Kar 98 being a other critical models.
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jan 30, 2013 15:23:00 GMT -5
I'm thinking that they were pursued more because of Clint Eastwood's Gran Torino movie then to placate the WWII airsoft community. But we benefit so that's cool. After the movie came out sales of real steel Garands went up for a short time I believe.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 30, 2013 17:52:43 GMT -5
I'm sure that's true. Eastwood said in an interview that he had second billing after the Garand. As provokatively offensive as that movie was I enjoyed it very much. It was all about bravery and all the assorted types of bravery there are. I cant think of much that would be more frightning than a decorated korean war veteran with a garand in his hands defending his home and feeling he had absolutely nothing to lose.
Movies, video games, and TV series have more to do with what models get to the marketplace than our small community. After "the Pacific". Folks wanted me to make M1917 water cooled machine guns instead of the usual air cooled M1919s. The fact that Major Winters carried a Garand instead of a Thompson or carbine also influenced these new Garand offerings. If you think the lead time couldnt be that long you are mistaken and dont have a clue how long it takes to bring a new model to market.
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Post by Rekkon on Jan 31, 2013 11:15:01 GMT -5
I find that dubious. If Gran Torino was a significant motivation for the Garands, you would think the manufacturers would have made sure to plug that, but I have not seen it mentioned anywhere. The M1 is iconic enough to stand on its own. If other media had a hand, it was probably much more The Pacific and Band of Brothers (as usual).
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Post by roadwarrior on Feb 1, 2013 14:58:57 GMT -5
When I bring my M1 to a skirmish allot of people are like "where did you get it/what brand is that- I would love one" since it's a very well known rifle it pretty much sells it self lol. I'm glad we have two competent company's making these instead of some lower knock-off brand doing it.
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Post by brownien on Feb 1, 2013 18:28:42 GMT -5
Like Dboys! Gahh! a shell ejector M1! INSANITY! lol
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 1, 2013 20:02:06 GMT -5
I think for years the fact that the Marushin Garand (Gas Blow Back) didnt sell spectaculary put off many of the potential manufacturers who failed to see that the reason it didnt sell well was that its performance (like the shell ejecting Marushin k98 that got copied by D Boys) sucks so bad.
they assumed airsofters didnt want the M1 Garand when in fact many of us desperately did but wanted one that works! I bought Two Marushin M1 Garands hoping desperately that between the two Id have one that could make it through an event. Even with all the tweaks and loctitie and training and practice and familiarization and tips an advice they just made me crazy. The good news is their failure and my frustration lead me to come up with the m14 to m1 Garand conversions which though far from ideal by the end got to be pretty decent approximations that certainly work as skirmishable Garands.
With the two new entrants I am thrilled to be out of the custom builds for others business.
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Post by SgtSalmon on Feb 2, 2013 17:47:14 GMT -5
Apparently Airsoft GI and Evike got production models in. Which means the gun should be released anyday now.
My question is where are the spare clips?
(Or would the correct term be mags? This is the M1, afterall. )
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 2, 2013 19:36:35 GMT -5
For the military ammo stored completely inside the weapon housing is called a "clip" while an ammo container that protrudes outside the weapon housing is called a magazine. Hence an M1 Garand uses a "clip" while an M1 Carbine uses a magazine.
Since i placed a pre order with Evike the very day it opened up hopefully my ICS Garand order will be among the first one filled. They initially indicated a Jan delivery, then February and are still showing anticipated shipments in March. I would be thrilled if i received it before Chinese New Year as that always creates a big hole in production and distribution.
Spare "clips" will no doubt come in time and obviously this is a weapon for whom one will want to have a lot of them on hand. I have never been more excited about getting in an airsoft gun.
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Post by roadwarrior on Feb 3, 2013 13:49:05 GMT -5
But don't the 1903 Springfield and K98k have internal magazines fed by stripper clips?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 3, 2013 15:40:37 GMT -5
Those magazines are built into the rifle. They do not load outside or detach from the weapon. The stripper "clips" however do. I hope that helps with the terminology. Clips and magazines are often misused as are the term "tank" or "gun". It's not a big deal of course as people know typically what we're referring to.
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Post by roadwarrior on Feb 4, 2013 2:49:10 GMT -5
Hehe I was just being silly. But I though what designated them was if it was a Clip(bullets are clipped together by a piece of metal) or a Mag(fully enclosed casing)
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 4, 2013 3:15:41 GMT -5
Back in the day when I was in the Army (I retired in 1977!). It was explained to me that a magazine protrudes from the weapon where a clip is inserted in the weapon with no part protruding. That may have been based on nothing more than the explanation of the time and not anything official at all but it was a commonly held definition.
Incidently has anyone noticed that this particular thread ( ICS Garand ) has received nearly 15,000 visits. If anyone doubts there is keen interest in AEG Garands that alone should remove it.
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Post by Rekkon on Feb 4, 2013 9:50:44 GMT -5
The one I heard was "clips load magazines; magazines load weapons." So while a stripper clip is used to load a Kar98k, the weapon itself is fed from an internal, non-removable 5 round magazine.
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Post by whiterook on Feb 4, 2013 19:54:59 GMT -5
Back in the day when I was in the Army (I retired in 1977!). Me too! Spent most of my time at White Sands.
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Post by SgtSalmon on Feb 4, 2013 20:30:39 GMT -5
^
Also, the gun has a BEAUTIFUL clank on the bolt.
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Post by roadwarrior on Feb 5, 2013 0:12:54 GMT -5
Video is gone
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Post by ScottCollins on Feb 5, 2013 16:47:04 GMT -5
The plot thickens...
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Post by Rekkon on Feb 6, 2013 9:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by ScottCollins on Feb 8, 2013 13:18:02 GMT -5
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Post by CharleyNovember on Feb 10, 2013 21:58:32 GMT -5
It says it qualifies for free shipping on there so would that be 318.00 total you think?
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Post by elder90 on Feb 11, 2013 0:53:53 GMT -5
Fox will should have a video up this coming week for the ICS.
I will let you know that is is an Absolutely BEAUTIFUL rifle. Although it is not as heavy as the real deal, it feels great in your hands.
I dont know how G&G can top this.
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