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Post by m1junny on Jan 31, 2006 1:17:34 GMT -5
i dont know, i am generally a very nice person, i personally dont like to say bad words, go to international wwii reenactors forums, and see if i ever use swearing on that forums. the reason i swore in this is because i litterally were shocked out of my mind and i litterally went nuts after seeing such farbness.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 31, 2006 1:22:34 GMT -5
Oh hey there's the root of the problem right there.
Why do you think you can tell me anything. Who are you? You put your pants on one leg at a time like me right? You choose to do your thing I choose to do mine. I don't come down on 100% historical as a waste of money? If you have the money and you would liek to do that then good I applaud the effort. Don't be a snob you might actually learn something in life.
Now don't let me and people I play with make you think badly of this particular group they go for 100% historical accurate remember that. I generally enjoy the conversation here(other than this exchange) and we agree to disagree with no ill will...perhaps you should maybe learn from that....
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Post by m1junny on Jan 31, 2006 1:25:25 GMT -5
i thought you guys were "world war 2 airsofters". in that title i see "world war 2"... so are you telling me there were soldiers that were dressed like you in world war 2?
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Post by m1junny on Jan 31, 2006 1:28:12 GMT -5
oh and i airsofted 2 years ago (before i got into wwii) and i am trying to get back into airsofting (ww2 airsofting that is) and thats why i visited this forums. to see how ww2 airsoft goes compared to reenacting... and i was extremely shocked... i think im going to stick with my modern day airsoft...
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 31, 2006 1:29:40 GMT -5
and from 10-20 feet we look close enough for our purpose. Why is this a problem for you? We don't require "you" to play with us. Check out this article off MY site and it should spell it out for you... www.worldwar2airsoft.com/reen.htmMY site has no connection to this site other than some of us come here and talk WW2 stuff.
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Post by Rainer Schmidt on Jan 31, 2006 1:30:00 GMT -5
m1junny.
Have you ever attended a Airsoft event? If so, please understand that this is not re-enacting. This is AIRSOFT with a WW2 theme. I've seen folks done out in flektarn, or even CADPAT, usin' a M4 in a Airsoft WW2 game. They are out there for fun.
Reenacting is, as the name suggests, the recreation of history, an' as a member of the PNWHG, I know this well. I re-enact an' I play airsoft, an' for some reason I have no problem with players who are "Farben it up"
I could care less really, you realize how boring it would be to skirmish with 1 or two really dedicated and perfect men (Please see my team). I would rather have 30 or 40 folks trying their best due to financial restrictions (As is the case with most of these uniforms)
If you still have a problem, get yourself a bus ticket, an' meet me in Oregon for my re-enactment event. I'll gladly explain "face to face" as you were suggesting
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Post by m1junny on Jan 31, 2006 1:31:13 GMT -5
wow, so its all about playing soldiers like children these days...
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 31, 2006 1:31:33 GMT -5
My problem is not with rather or not you approve of what I do it is your total lack of respect when speaking to someone. It is not acceptable in any society in any way.
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Post by Rainer Schmidt on Jan 31, 2006 1:32:14 GMT -5
Hey, if you still have a rage problem, hit me up on MSN: valeksky@hotmail.com
I'll gladly hash this out for you an' save the moderators a mess to clean up.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 31, 2006 1:33:37 GMT -5
You do realize we play dress up with toy guns in airsoft right? ? Big boys big toys...
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Post by m1junny on Jan 31, 2006 1:37:20 GMT -5
My problem is not with rather or not you approve of what I do it is your total lack of respect when speaking to someone. It is not acceptable in any society in any way. yes i very do understand that, and i am very sorry. its just that when i saw that picture, for some reason i was literally filled with so much shockness that i couldnt stand it. i guess i am too much reenactor coordinated, im the stitch nazi type may be. i learned something new today, that "world war 2 airsoft" is not really a "world war 2 airsoft" guys, im out of this forums, u guys can talk crap at me all you want, i wont care anymore cuz i will never come back to this forums. but just know that wwii airsoft has lost me and about entire unit (10+ guys) that were going to get involved in ww2 airsoft in california. *oh and as for record, to answer some questions above, yes ive been to airsoft, hell i was one hell of a hardcore airsofter back in the days, i spent about a grand to upgrade and modify my tokyo marui m4a1, also owned several other tokyo marui and wester arms airsoft guns* (when i sold them all i had plenty of money to get into world war ii reenacting, which costed me about $2000 at beginning... yes im not an airsoft noob here.
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Post by schmitty on Jan 31, 2006 1:45:44 GMT -5
Your loss, Go crawl back in your hole forever. Bye Bye.
Schmitty
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Post by Rainer Schmidt on Jan 31, 2006 1:52:56 GMT -5
My appologise for those on the boards. He came off harsh an' kept on going. I hope you all understand an' I hope we don't encounter anyone like him again.
*sigh* These type of people ruin the good relationship we have with the re-enacting community. Our differences are apparent but our motivation and our love for WW2 are things which remain the same. It is particularily dissapointing when people forget this.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 31, 2006 1:54:31 GMT -5
Before I get the inevitable PM from a mod. I am sorry to cause you trouble here. I did try and point out that I do not represent your group and I hope that helps.
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Post by Guinness on Jan 31, 2006 2:05:47 GMT -5
yikes!
I turn my back for a day and this happens??
Look Son, all the members in this thread and this entire forum carry themselves with dignity and honor- if you take just a second to actually read the posts here, probably after your English homework by the looks of your grammar and spelling, you will see a group of friends that go way the heck out of their way to help, advise and support each other. You may also be interested to learn that we behave much like most real reenactor groups I have been involved with, where it's more about helping than being a jerk.
So perhaps your more familiar with groups out in California that 'reenact' being human beings, I'm not sure, but your years of knowledge and experience are wasted here among people that have actually 'done' and 'seen' the real thing- thanks though, your probably right, you would be more comfortable somewhere else among people more like you.
-G
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Post by schmitty on Jan 31, 2006 2:11:06 GMT -5
Rainer and AAdan you guys didn't do or say anything wrong. That guy was totally disrespectful and way out of line. I'm sure he doesn't represent all (or even a few) Re-enactors. It's pathetic that he feels the need to put people down to build himself up. Don't let him get to you.
Schmitty
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Post by tractor3rdid on Jan 31, 2006 2:12:31 GMT -5
i know m1junny personally and he is right you all are pains up all us reenactors asses. you make reenactors like me look bad and horrible. i would start ww2 airsofting but this has turned me away. if you guys look like this i would photobucket.com/albums/f43/obball123/ww2%20reenacting/my album from events. have any of you seen band of brothers? in my jan event section is a pic of ed pepping from 101 easy and he would be ashamed of you all farbs. this board has a section on ww2 airsofting look at it ww2reenactors.proboards35.com/index.cgi. you all are idiots for looking so gay. Tractor3rdid
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Post by tractor3rdid on Jan 31, 2006 2:15:21 GMT -5
oh he does he represents any true ww2 historian or reenactor. if you came to one of our events dressed like that you would be kicked out of that event and warned if you show up again you would be banned from ever attending one again
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 31, 2006 2:15:26 GMT -5
see response to your friend thier highspeed we don't give two applesauce s what you think...
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Post by schmitty on Jan 31, 2006 2:15:44 GMT -5
You don't need us to make you look bad. Your horribly disrespectfull attitude speaks for itself.
Schmitty
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 31, 2006 2:17:00 GMT -5
Why would I show up at your event? I obviously know what your standards are why would I start trouble for no reason? ohh wait that's what you are doing here....
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Post by tractor3rdid on Jan 31, 2006 2:18:28 GMT -5
we have been nice to you guys. let a few more of us reenactors post on here and they will do the same thing
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Post by Rainer Schmidt on Jan 31, 2006 2:19:49 GMT -5
*waves the big flag of Re-enactor*
Hey look, I'm not rude.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 31, 2006 2:19:50 GMT -5
"Oh for smurf sake die already" - The Crow
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Post by bwang1624 on Jan 31, 2006 2:19:51 GMT -5
Hi guys, my name is Brian. I am in california. I airsoft. I am very serious about airsoft. I have also just been to my first reenacting event. From an insider of both worlds and a Gemini, I can appreciate all of your arguements.
First off, m1junny, you could have been a bit more tactful as to how you worded yourself there. On forums, all other people have to go off is what little you present yourself as, and no one wants to listen to someone who is condescending.
On the other hand, allamericacandan, you could have maintained a tone much less sarcastic and reasonable. What we have here instead of a potentiall very interesting and fruitful discussion is two children (a bit grown) squabbling at each other. Come on, we are all respectable and knowledgable people in our own rights, we're better than this.
I see where m1junny is comming from, allamericandan, in the eyes of someone who is well read in the history as we are, to call a setup like that is an insult to many people who take a lot of pride in what they wear. like you said, there are many reenactors and collectors who will do whatever it takes to get it right down the the last thread. This is because they have great knowledge, enthusiasm, and respect for what they do and the people whom they portray. They go the distance because if they didnt', it wouldn't be doing justice to those who actually wore that uniform and died in it.
It is true that these things cost money, and "correctness" costs alot, but much of what pains m1junny and im sure others "in the know" is the ignorance that goes along with "its good enough". If nothing else, its the thought that counts, and not so much the money. As long as people recognize that their kit isn't correct, that there is more to be desired, then that is a start. One problem i see all of the time, in anything, not just ww2 airsoft is that people don't take the pride to do some research and find out what is correct. Things like calling me terrorist because i wear a shemagh with my US uniform. That comes from 2 points of ignorance. First, just because I wear a shemagh does not imply an arabic impression, shemaghs were used by british special forces in several wars, as well as recently by US forces, why? because they work in the desert. secondly, just because a shemagh is a characteristic trait of arabic origin, nothing in it implies terrorist. The work terrorist is by itself a concept created by the mass media to rally a people against *something*. Can anyone define terrorist? someone who causes terror? terror to whome? How about religious or idealistic crusader? Are you a terrorist if you fight for your cause? No, only they are.
I digress. You see though, what makes people boil isn't what is "farb" or incorrect, its just that people who claim the tittle WW2 don't take the time and effort to know where they are incorrect. They settle for "good enough" and that mindset just isn't good enough.
m1junny...maybe try to explain your position reasonably, give the guy the respect that you ought to, he tries hard in what he does. flaming people without expounding on your own arguement doesn't do anything except get people mad.
"...and your helmet...i wont even go there"
that says nothing.
Brian
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Post by Guinness on Jan 31, 2006 2:22:12 GMT -5
Is it a full moon or something? jeez
Now Tractor-puller, which one of those pictures are you in- now let me warn you- be careful because we know people in those groups and none of them act like this- so which picture from the set from Camp Roberts are you in so we can get this whole "You are a disgrace" thing settled.
-G
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Post by tractor3rdid on Jan 31, 2006 2:27:53 GMT -5
the pic is labled just look for it. i am wearing a jeep cap since i went out as a photographer.
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Post by schmitty on Jan 31, 2006 2:29:07 GMT -5
seems likely that M1junny and tractor3rdid are the same person.
Schmitty
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 31, 2006 2:29:15 GMT -5
bwang1624 ~ a reasonable and respectful post...what more could I ask for. I appreciate your opinion on the matter for what it is and I see you realize that not everyone sees everything the same way as you do.
I do not see my uniform as a slight to any of my relatives that served in WW2. I respect people that spend the money to buy the exact uniform for the dedication to that but that doesn't mean I see the importance to that.
As I stated I would not go to a reenactor event with clothing that did not meet the standards they set. I can see no better point of respect than that. I wouldn't ridcule hey you spent thousands of dollars for the correct gear but you still yell bang at each other. That would be disrespectful and jsut crappy to say. Renactors enjoy the gear the exact gear and thats great. I have no reason to put that down. It doesn't make me feel less because my opinion differs.
Also as a side note I try and be cool with everyone but I have a short fuse with rudeness. I really should not react so quickly in anger.
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Post by tractor3rdid on Jan 31, 2006 2:35:52 GMT -5
me and m1junny are two people. i am a white guy and he is aisian. i belong to 3rd id rps and he belongs to 9th id chg. oh by the way if reenactors would have not evented airsofting then you would not have a game to play
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