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Post by click on Feb 24, 2008 8:52:44 GMT -5
Palidin, looks awesome! I really like the desaturation of the pics.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Feb 24, 2008 12:50:06 GMT -5
I think they are cool too, never said they weren't. I just asked if he had knocked out two tanks,thats all. If he said "No" I would have said "Cool" and if he said "Yes" I would have said "Cool". If ever knock out a tank by myself, I'll put a TD badge on my feligerbluse but untill then I wont. Thats just me.
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Post by mauser98k on Feb 25, 2008 2:18:28 GMT -5
I understand fully, just wasn't sure what kind of reactions I'd get from a statement like mine. Nothing against you or anyone else, just throwing my opinions out, haha. ;D
-Dakota
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Post by jugendkrieger on Feb 25, 2008 12:18:15 GMT -5
At the Risk of sounding like a douche bag(more and more of my posts start this way)
I, Personally don't like the impression. While "Technically" correct. it seems you have used the lowest common denominator for your gear. It looks like an out of the box deal, Let me know if im correct.
Chinese tunic and trousers.
Chinese Repro Low boots.
Chinese Repro Helmet (Double Decal?Why?)
Chinese SS camo cover and Zelt
M48 mauser ?
Post War Swedish Flashlight?
What Time Period are you trying to portray? Its too neat, To clean and the stuff needs a lot of work. any why rank? why cant the SS-Scharfuhrer Get a Haircut or Shave? and you havent done anything but sew to get those TDB's.
Sorry if it sounds harsh but thats the way i see it.
Marc
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Post by Ripper on Feb 25, 2008 15:18:14 GMT -5
"At the Risk of sounding like a douche bag(more and more of my posts start this way)" Well, recognizing that you have a problem is half the battle.  Not everyone lives,eats, sleeps and craps WWII re-enactment. Some of us spend a great deal of time and money PLAYING airsoft, but that's all it is to us. A game. I'll be the first to admit that all of my WWII German gear is chinese made repro's. And my typical game loadout still costs more than many guys real deal, modern issue. Do I give a applesauce ? No, and neither do any of the guys I game with. They just think the WWII camo and weapons are cool. I used to enjoy reading posts on this board, but anymore..not so much. The anal retentive elitism that is so common in the blank firing re-enactment community is really starting to rear it's ugly head much too often. If guys want to have a period haircut and live a total imersion lifestyle, thats great. Just remember that not everyone is that into their impressions and this is only a hobby for a lot of us. |
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Post by jugendkrieger on Feb 25, 2008 16:05:39 GMT -5
it is NOT elitism. it is taking pride in your kit and doing it right. there is a line between right and wrong. simple as that it is "just a hobby" for all of us. I come across as a douchebag all day long.
You can be a farb, and ill be an elitist Jerk. ok?
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Feb 25, 2008 16:45:51 GMT -5
I wish I had the picture for this...but anyways, "DON'T FLAME EACH OTHER!"
This thread isn't to battle about Reenacting, airsofting, or the ww2aa and/or some of it's potential issues. It's to give each other advice commentary and occasionally necessary criticism. ANY, and I repeat ANY impression can be approved upon and this thread is for giving advice to do so. Not everyone's going to put the most effort possible into an impression, either because they don't want to or for another reason. They should know what a reaction may be when they post pictures on a thread that is directly for commentary, and if they don't like it, they may have to take it with a grain of salt or settle it by another means. The "I'm workin on it" thread(s) are kinda like a first audition. If you're satisfied with your impression then good. If not, then do some more work until you get it at that level.
as for my opinion on wearing a rank/medal/award totally undeserved (at least to my knowledge), I'm not a fan of it, but I can tolerate it almost always. A medal was not meant to be a purdy pin that makes your uniform look cool, it was intended to show the the action(s) the soldier did to earn it. People faught and sometimes died to recieve medals/awards, and sometimes those who deserved them never earned them. Would they appreciate it if they saw someone wear it who never came close to earning it? I doubt it. Who do you think would feel hurt more, the airsofter/reenactor who can't sew that cool looking chevron or that snazzy medal on their uniform, or those who witness the awards/medals being belittled by an airsofter/reenactor.
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Post by Ripper on Feb 25, 2008 17:21:25 GMT -5
Following your logic, none of us should ever wear any WWII uniform with any form of insignia or rank on it. There is no way to 'earn' anything associated with that uniform since the war ended 63 years ago. ;D
Kinda tough to advance your rank in an Army that doesn't exist anymore.
Anyhow. you guys have fun nitpicking each others choice of uniform providers.
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Post by jugendkrieger on Feb 25, 2008 17:32:28 GMT -5
no following my logic you Start off as a schutze, Jager, Grenadier, ect. and you work your way up according to your organizations bylaws. by actually fulfilling the criteria that your unit agreed on. Medals of Valor Should not be issued AT ALL.
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Post by Ripper on Feb 25, 2008 17:55:52 GMT -5
Thats cool if you are in a structured organization. Not everyone is, or cares to be. In my area, there are no more than 5 active WWII airsofters, but we have 1000 members in our airsoft organization. We average close to 100 players per game, but the rest are occasional players or chairsofters. There just isn't any interest in it. So..I wear my German stuff every other game or so just because it's fun to leave my 21st century gear ay home every now and then. Since I actually earned my E7 rank in the Marines, I know a bit about rank advancement in the real world. I also fully understand the problem with folks wearing personal medals they did not earn. I had to let guys shoot at me to earn some of mine. But since those don't get worn on combat uniforms or under body armor, it isn't much of an issue at our events. |
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Feb 25, 2008 19:05:43 GMT -5
Following your logic, none of us should ever wear any WWII uniform with any form of insignia or rank on it. There is no way to 'earn' anything associated with that uniform since the war ended 63 years ago. ;D You have to draw the line somewhere though. A uniform and a unit are completely necessary for an impression. Without them WWII airsoft well...wouldn't be WWII. Every GI that served In WWII belonged to a unit and had a uniform where as only a small percentage earned medals of valor. For example. You can do say, an 87th infantry division impression without wearing a C.I.B.. You cannot however, do an 87th infantry division impression without a uniform and a unit patch. |
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Post by Ripper on Feb 25, 2008 19:28:00 GMT -5
Yup.
And the cool uniforms and weapons is the only reason I play airsoft. ;D
I did the real war thingy 17 years ago. Now it's all just for fun.
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Post by mauser98k on Feb 25, 2008 19:59:38 GMT -5
it is NOT elitism. it is taking pride in your kit and doing it right. there is a line between right and wrong. simple as that it is "just a hobby" for all of us. I come across as a douchebag all day long. You can be a farb, and ill be an elitist Jerk. ok? ..At the risk of sounding like a douchebag, There is also a line between this being a hobby, and for it being your life.  Lots of people don't do this that much at all, so spending countless paychecks on these things might not be in their agenda. This is what overseas uniforms and gear are for. Some people just want to have a nice kit to play airsoft in and enjoy it without getting nitpicked for their uniforms being a certain make. I'm sure you'd rather see him out in swede conversions and a spanish helmet, right? Sure it's nice to have your all german-made kit, but some people just can't swing it, or are not willing to spend over a grand on an airsoft impression, and you should understand and rather try to help than wave your authenticity patrol badge in the air. this is the ("Working on it" thread) I would understand if this was living history or displays, but nobody is going to be measuring the distance between the pockets, or checking for F/A pouches in his tunic during an airsoft game. He obviously is trying, unlike many, MANY people who don't even care whether they wear the right stuff or not. So I'd try to communicate and help aid to his impression, nitpicks such as uniform brand can be left for when his kit is done and he wishes to expand and improve in ways such as that. -Dakota |
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Post by Russian on Feb 25, 2008 21:15:13 GMT -5
Always struck me that unneeded awards and medals cost more money, not less. The "I don't want to spend a ton on my kit" argument never really parred up with the use of medals, atleast to me. Someone wanna explain that?
Other than that, here's the facts:
1) We are not all held to the same rules concerning uniforms and medals. Please, stop nit picking, especially in the brash, ill-mannered means above. Keep it civil, guys.
2) All peoples beliefs are different. We don't need to express every woe we have here. Do it in PMs, or take enough time to cushion your beliefs, so you don't come off as a jerk.
3) Please, keep snobbery out of this. I am as stitch not-see about my own stuff as I can be, and if people ask specifically for my opinions, I will give them. If no one asks, though, I don't force, not at the level that I would otherwise. Consider backing away from a potential fight, instead of meeting head on.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Feb 26, 2008 0:16:51 GMT -5
Are we going to see it fielded at the March Event?
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Post by Adler69 on Feb 26, 2008 1:36:53 GMT -5
Are we going to see it fielded at the March Event? If i can finish the samurai vest i might , the helmet woun't be here by the March event , but i guess i can wear my FJ Helmet instead. |
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Post by Adler69 on Feb 26, 2008 1:48:33 GMT -5
I have been doing blank fire re enacting as an FJ for 8 years, and the only medals i have on my Fliegerbleuse are:
* Ribbon for the Iron Cross 2nd class ( got awarded that one for halting an advance of the US 3rd Armor with just a rifle grenade launcher , taking out 3 Half Tracks fully loaded with Infantry)
* Flak Artillery badge ( because i am the only member in the entire Club that knows how to operate a 105mm howitzer , and i train the gun crews for it , just ask Jager Drew how much fun it is to fire that big boy)
* Luftwaffe Jump badge ( because i have made several jumps in real life in the Army)
* Luftwaffe 4 year service medal ( well because i have been in the unit for more than 4 years)
* AFRIKA Cuff tittle ( for combat in Desert Storm)
I could wear 2 Tank Destruction Badges if i wanted to because i did take out 2 REAL LIFE tanks with a shoulder fired weapon , but i choose not to.
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Post by binarypunisher on Feb 26, 2008 1:52:45 GMT -5
Were the tanks live? Or were they stationary targets?
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Post by Adler69 on Feb 26, 2008 1:57:46 GMT -5
Were the tanks live? Or were they stationary targets? One was on the move , turret traversing towards our position , by the time he trained the gun on us , the Dragon hit him. The second one was on a Hull down position , stationary , easy kill ;D |
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Post by Gerry on Feb 26, 2008 8:59:30 GMT -5
Let me know if im correct.Chinese tunic and trousers. Not sure bought it from a fellow WWII airsofterChinese Repro Low boots. At the front repro M42 lowbootsChinese Repro Helmet (Double Decal?Why?) American made by a fellow in AZ, Double decal 'cause I want towww.reenactorstuff.com/auction/auctiondetails.php?id=127358Chinese SS camo cover? Same maker as helmet M48 Mauser? K98 Mountain trooperPost War Swedish Flashlight? yes 1 out of six isn't bad!I had stated it was my first attempt at an SS Impression and I didn't get a chance to get a shave and haircut..... Just curious what kind of experience you bring to the table at the tender age of 18 (maybe 20 years of re-enacting?) that you can tell a chinese repro and you just don't sound like a douche bag.........
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Post by jugendkrieger on Feb 26, 2008 12:14:08 GMT -5
Those are Chinese wools.
ATF gets their Boots from China.
Johann Krieger most definitely gets those helmets from china. That auction is B.S. im not sure why anyone is fooled by that, even the chinese helmets have the same chinstrap markings and odd paint jobs in the dome
Camo is the Same Deal
K98 Mountain Trooper? live? From where? That is an m48 yugo mauser., id like to see your reference on that. if so i stand corrected. but i think not
Why are you a decorated SS-NCO if this is your first crack at an SS impression?, i am a fan of your falschirmjager impressions but not of this one.
as for me, Id be happy to post all of my impression pictures for you to pick apart. I have both an SS-Schutze 9th SS impression, and a Heer 3rd Panzergrenadier impression. I have been blank fire reenacting since i was 12 and i have just recently broken into the Airsoft scene.
Marc
And i AM a douchebag. i make my apologies to no one
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Post by neoptolemus on Feb 26, 2008 12:22:39 GMT -5
Whoa, alert the presses!
He just broke into the airsoft scene!
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Post by click on Feb 26, 2008 12:30:21 GMT -5
jugendkrieger:
Dude, maybe you have better impressions and know more then everyone in the world, but you could be a little gentler about pointing out his mistakes. This IS the "I'm WORKING on it Thread". Maybe it is a little inaccurate but you don't need to be a jerk. I happen to like his impression and as long as he doesn't walk around claiming that it is 100% accurate, thats fine with me. So shut up and sit down. I am getting tired of people like you who nitpick and stitch count when people ADMIT that they still don't have it quite right. You scare people away from the hobby (note the word HOBBY not lifestyle) It is airsoft and people will by default improve there kits. Just deal with it.
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Post by jugendkrieger on Feb 26, 2008 12:55:28 GMT -5
G33/40, strange. I stand corrected on that point !
I was not Being a douchebag before. My first post was "gentle" as Click would put it. reenacting is not my "LIFE" as so many of you would like to paint it. It is my hobby,my one hobby and i stick with it and want to get it right. I really take issue with people who Buy there first impression and give themselves NCO rank and Awards when it is their FIRST IMPRESSION.
I've noticed that alot of you guys love the shiny stuff, but when someone calls
shenanigans on it you hide behind the fact that it is not your "thing" and my haircut doesn't count, or ITS ONLY AIRSOFT, DUDE. so your haircut doesn't count, but your SS-LAH NCO impression and Dual TDB's does?? Draw a line and stick to it. you go all out and then trip on the finish line because you didn't feel like getting a haircut? I have seen a lot of really Great airsoft impressions, JagerDru, Stewie, Flectarn, Gadge, BinaryPunisher ALWAYS look good.
I apologize for stepping on anyones Pride or Hurt some frail feelings. if you want to be seen as serious historians, you need to Drop the ITS ONLY AIRSOFT, DUDE thing. That shtick is getting old.
Marc
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Feb 26, 2008 15:20:03 GMT -5
Just to voice my opinion: I’m more interested in people being interested in the Hobby of WW2 Airsoft and making an effort to do WWII impressions than I am with the absolute historic accuracy and reenactment of WWII.
My first impression was of a 3rd Fallschirmjäger. Yeah, it had some mistakes and yeah, I went with an impression of an officer. Now I do a Fallschirmjäger impression of an NCO without any metals or awards on the uniform. Just a grunt. Is it perfect? No! I have to use G-43 pouches because the magazines, yep, that’s right, my magazines for my k-98 do not fit in the K-98 striper clip pouches of my web gear. Furthermore, I do not wear period boots but similar looking boots. And to top it all off I do not have a gas can or entrenchment tool for my Fallschirmjäger impression yet. But hey, I am working on and for it!
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Post by click on Feb 26, 2008 15:27:31 GMT -5
...reenacting is not my "LIFE" as so many of you would like to paint it. ...I really take issue with people who Buy there first impression and give themselves NCO rank and Awards when it is their FIRST IMPRESSION. Draw a line and stick to it. you go all out and then trip on the finish line because you didn't feel like getting a haircut? ITS ONLY AIRSOFT, DUDE thing. That shtick is getting old. I will take your arguements pointy by point if you dont mind First off you think by saying you dont like his impression to begin with is "gently"? At least you could have put SOMETHING positive in your original post rather than put down his whole impression. If reenacting isnt your "life" then I would suggest you dont act like a know-it-all. Ok maybe he DOES have China gear. He doesnt claim that it is the best repro out there so why should you give a crap? As long as he is happy and it isnt way off, its fine. I agre that people generally shouldn't be an NCO with their first impression and I dont think that anyone should wear rank unless they have earned them in "real life". This isnt really his first impression by the way. Draw the line? Are you telling me that you walk around with a period haircut all the time. If so what about a watch, do you use a period toothbrush? So what if he doesnt have the correct haircut. He can easily fix that before going to an event. He just wanted to show his gear but had some long hair. And some reenactors "Holyer than Thou" attitude is way older. I will stop using the its only airsoft when stuck up people like you who (Oh My Gosh) have been reenacting since they were 12, and know everything, stifle a promising impression because they have a China made uniform. So aside from your point about the NCO and awards, I think your entire argument is faulty. So lay off of him. Click PS Majorray posted before I did and I completely agree with him. Oh and Gyrene never be sorry for piling onto a jerk. Sorry but thats what you are acting like. |
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Post by gadge on Feb 26, 2008 16:01:21 GMT -5
At the risk of bursting bubbles.. I currently have a pillarbox red mohawk under my headwear. not period at all |
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Post by jugendkrieger on Feb 26, 2008 16:12:49 GMT -5
Frankly, Click, I dont care what you think of me. I have a drawn line that is very defined. My Life, and My Hobby. My Life is none of your buisness. but when i go to the hobby side i am in full force. i ALWAYS have a Period haircut in hobby time, and yes i do use a period boar bristle tooth brush, i wear Period underwear too. I go as deep into it as i can. I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE OR BACK DOWN FOR DOING THINGS RIGHT. and as for being nice. i said i am a big fan of his falschirmjager impressions. LAH-nco is a miss for me. That is all. I CAN voice My opinion in a COMMENT thread cant I  Marc P.S Gadge The Bubble Has Been Burst. ;D i still like your impressions. |
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Feb 26, 2008 16:23:57 GMT -5
but when i go to the hobby side i am in full force. i ALWAYS have a Period haircut in hobby time, and yes i do use a period boar bristle tooth brush, i wear Period underwear too. I go as deep into it as i can. I think we all will just take your word about the underwear! Frankly, I don’t care to have you post pictures to prove it. ;D  |
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Post by spitfire740 on Feb 26, 2008 16:36:27 GMT -5
Wow Adler!!!!!! Your impression is coming along incredibly!!! Is that the HKK set ur wearing? I'm working on finishing my Alpini impression as well, I just need to order Keith's set of M40's.
Also, where did you get the Samurai vest from? It's fantastic! Did you make it yourself? The only other repro samurai vest I know of is over at Pegasus Militaria. One day I will fight along side you, and we will be the best looking Compagno's out there!
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Lots of people don't do this that much at all, so spending countless paychecks on these things might not be in their agenda. This is what overseas uniforms and gear are for. Some people just want to have a nice kit to play airsoft in and enjoy it without getting nitpicked for their uniforms being a certain make. I'm sure you'd rather see him out in swede conversions and a spanish helmet, right? 
