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Post by deacon on Jan 8, 2009 22:26:58 GMT -5
possibly, i might keep it as a prop.
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Post by Polski on Jan 9, 2009 4:51:30 GMT -5
So kalbs, how did the meeting go? What did you find out?
Thanks very much for informing us all that the Chinese Mp44 will be out this coming February. I'm definitely going to buy one. I only hope however that just because it’s Chinese gun, that its performance won’t be second rate. The aesthetic appearance looks wonderful! By the way, do you know if their going to sell the full metal/wood version before or after the imitation wood version? I’m sure everyone here, including myself, is dying to hear from you about the decided price for this gun and which U.S. outlets will have it for sale.
As for other WWII guns, I’m sure many would be just as exited about an airsoft Ppsh-41 as they are now with this upcoming Mp44. If they’re scared of wasting time and money:
Ppsh-41- Show them Gryphon’s work, hes been able to make beautiful Ppsh’s for less than half of what the people at WWIIGUNS.COM have been making.
M1 Garand- 2nd Bat’s converted M14s are not only amazing; they also show how practical it is to convert an M14 into an AEG Garand.
Moisen Nagant- You can buy a real fully-functional Nagant at a Big 5 Sporting Goods for only 85 dollars! It shouldn’t cost too much then to make an airsoft version out of a few real steel/wooden parts.
Kar98k- A skirmishable version of this great rifle also wouldn’t cost an arm and leg, all that would need to be done really is to add magazine and modify the gun’s feed. They could come out with a spring and gas version of it, their model can be the Tanaka’s Kar98k; although with 6mm bbs and a normal dark walnut textured stock.
Gewehr 43- Personally I’d just like to have this rifle created, along with the MG42 and 34, because it’s just a wonderful piece and Gryphon has proven that it’s possible to make.
Thanks again kalbs! Thanks for pushing hard for us!
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Post by kalbs on Jan 9, 2009 9:07:35 GMT -5
I met with them again but during the meeting they were a bit reluctant about issuing pricing face to face (Maybe because I'm not a major retailer) but they promised me and email; which I have yet to recieve but am trying to cover the purchase from two sides with suppliers as well. I expect the price to be in the US$250ish range based on what the new AK74 full metal and wood guns will be selling for in 2009. Stay tuned.
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Post by GermanShepherd on Jan 9, 2009 10:09:28 GMT -5
How much will extra mags be kalbs?
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Post by Ripper on Jan 9, 2009 10:20:34 GMT -5
Patience is a virtue. I want one just as bad as you do, but February isn't all that long to have to wait for solid intel. AND real pricing. If they can't/won't give him a price for the gun, what makes you think they will give him one for a mag that doesn't even exist yet?? ;D ;D
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Post by GermanShepherd on Jan 9, 2009 11:06:43 GMT -5
I have plenty of patience . LOL 2....thats an easy thing to say from someone who already has a full metal Ultima to play with while the clock ticks! ;D
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Post by Ripper on Jan 9, 2009 14:43:23 GMT -5
Yes, A full metal Ultima with ONE FRACKING MAG. Kinda hard to use it when the Hi-cap mag violates the 'no hi-cap' rule on my home field. The kiddies don't seem to understand why I can carry one for my MP44, but they can't for their M4's. I want a gun that I can actually get mags for. Real men change mags in a firefight, everyone else uses a baby rattle..er..I mean a hi-cap.
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Post by Rekkon on Jan 9, 2009 17:56:28 GMT -5
Bad Ripper. There is no 'c' in frak. No cookie. I commend your magazine attitude however.
Good to hear these new weapons are beyond rumor status now. While I would certainly be disappointed to see MP44s become as common as the AGM MP40s, if we have to buy their current offerings to convince them it is worthwhile to make more new models, so be it.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 10, 2009 0:31:09 GMT -5
I agree with you on that. The more skirmishable and affordable offerings there are the quicker WW2 airsoft will grow. I have been saying all along that is our greatest impediment.
As more weapons become availble (especially the more common and prevalent weapons of the day) the faster our gatherings will look credible and attractive to those who would otherwise want to participate in our hobby.
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Post by sir veilance on Jan 10, 2009 0:47:08 GMT -5
Well if the wood and metal version is in the $250 range, then the plastic and metal one could be in the $150 range.
If so... I will buy one wood and metal version, and two of the cheaper ones, just so I can have three mags ;D ;D ;D
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Post by lrich on Jan 10, 2009 2:00:55 GMT -5
Well if the wood and metal version is in the $250 range, then the plastic and metal one could be in the $150 range. If so... I will buy one wood and metal version, and two of the cheaper ones, just so I can have three mags ;D ;D ;D I would think it would be cheaper to make a mold and cast your own mags (that gives me ideas, if CNC turns out to be annoying, with those stupid ridges...), but whatever floats your boat
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Post by Polski on Jan 10, 2009 4:36:53 GMT -5
Furthermore however, if the Chinese companies ARE going to do this, we have to make it clear that they have to do it RIGHT. No more historically inaccurate replications, I’m sure everyone by now is sick of CYMA’s continuous disregard to create an accurate Tommy gun; with a proper receiver, stock, and sights. Likewise, future creations must also be skirmishable; only then will more people, both airsofters and WWII enthusiasts alike, become attracted to this hobby.
250 or 400, it seems that nothing really will stop me from getting this gun. I only hope that this crazy desire of mine to hold an Mp44 won’t end with me, and many other people, buying a horrible product. Does anyone know the condition of the gear box and the rest of the internals?
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Post by sir veilance on Jan 10, 2009 12:45:58 GMT -5
Well if the wood and metal version is in the $250 range, then the plastic and metal one could be in the $150 range. If so... I will buy one wood and metal version, and two of the cheaper ones, just so I can have three mags ;D ;D ;D I would think it would be cheaper to make a mold and cast your own mags (that gives me ideas, if CNC turns out to be annoying, with those stupid ridges...), but whatever floats your boat I was kidding about buying two extra guns just to have extra mags...... ;D But....... if the only source for mags was to buy an extra $150 gun, versus molding and casting my own mags........I would probably buy another cheap gun. That way if something broke on the wood and metal gun I could cannibalize the cheap one for parts
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Post by kalbs on Jan 10, 2009 21:28:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't bag on the Chinese to much. It is quite impressive that they are actually releasing the MP44 as is. Currently it is estimated that up to 50% of toy manufactures and related suppliers have been closed in Southern China due to the economic problems. They are being very cautious. AK's and M4's have a proven sales track.
As example of sales, My team mate had a long discussion with he owner of UNcompany (jacky) who stated nobody seems to be buying guns, only parts and etc. The majority of their sales are overseas and have dropped significatly.
YYTI has the MG42 on the boards too but I expect this may be delayed unless sales of the MP44 show some decent sales. If you recall, Boyi started a WW2 series with the release of the kar98k, there have been no guns added to the series yet. I expect this is for economic reasons. This also can be said about the VFC's BAR. Although this model is excellent, the release was very welcomed by the WW2 collectors but the production model sales have not been very good.
I don't want to get down on the Chinese for some minor imperfections on the MP44 or any other releases. I'm just thankful that I may have one that I can use in a game.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 10, 2009 22:02:06 GMT -5
Amen to that. As a group reenactor types with their extra ordinarily precise expectations do more it seems to destroy this hobby then help it. I understand the intentions which are comendable but realities and the fact that most people are no where near as anal or observant is one that unfortunately has to be expected.
Lets hope this MP44 is a huge success. I suspect it will be if the price isn't too outrageous and the compromises too great for authenticity and performance
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Post by Polski on Jan 10, 2009 22:41:45 GMT -5
Ohh no kalbs, Not my intention at all to bag on the Chinese; without them taking such risks, we wouldn’t even have this Mp44. Also all my comments on this product have been positive and hopeful, the only down remark I made was on the CYMA Tommy Gun and that was just to help out…because if the Chinese companies want input on why their products might not be selling, imperfections such as incorrect receivers I think are definitely a reason. If the gun doesn’t meet the liking of WWII enthusiasts, all that’s left are the modern warfare skirmishers and the only reason I can think of that they would buy it…is if the price is right.
Anyway, I already said that I will buy this gun, as far as looks go its 99.9 percent superb, even for picky enthusiasts; the .1 percent is for “chance of error” since the gun hasn’t come out yet. After this gun does come out kalbs, could you let us know how well its sales rates are? I’d really be grateful, especially since you said that the sales of this product would determine the future of further WWII guns.
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Post by kalbs on Jan 11, 2009 0:01:58 GMT -5
You have passion sir Polski, no harm in that. On another note; I saw a trailer on Spielberg's The Pacific (Which is not available on web anymore... crap), so maybe this will swawn more interest in WWII guns like SPR and BoB did which gave us the M1A1. A decent M1 carbine, M1903 and M3 would be a nice addition.
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Post by click on Jan 11, 2009 16:51:19 GMT -5
...and an M1 Garand.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 11, 2009 22:19:53 GMT -5
I would like to see an M1 Garand first and foremost. That may surprise people since I build and sell them but my entry price prevents them from becoming as prevalent as they truly need to be. The only way they will ever be as affordable as a typical AEG Rifle is if provided by a mass producer and China is probably our best bet.
Naturally their presence would essentially "Put me out of business" but I'd be the happiest guy on these boards if it happened. Sadly I've been hoping that way for 5 years now and I'm afraid I doubt we'll see that day anytime soon.
The MP44 is a badass looking gun and will sell to the non WW2 enthusiasts as well simply out of coolness factor.
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Post by sir veilance on Jan 13, 2009 8:36:00 GMT -5
You have passion sir Polski, no harm in that. On another note; I saw a trailer on Spielberg's The Pacific (Which is not available on web anymore... crap), so maybe this will swawn more interest in WWII guns like SPR and BoB did which gave us the M1A1. A decent M1 carbine, M1903 and M3 would be a nice addition. I don't know what I'm looking forward to the most! The MP44 or Spielbergs Pacific ;D
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Post by hairy apple on Jan 14, 2009 19:47:02 GMT -5
I would like to see an M1 Garand first and foremost. That may surprise people since I build and sell them but my entry price prevents them from becoming as prevalent as they truly need to be. The only way they will ever be as affordable as a typical AEG Rifle is if provided by a mass producer and China is probably our best bet. Naturally their presence would essentially "Put me out of business" but I'd be the happiest guy on these boards if it happened. Sadly I've been hoping that way for 5 years now and I'm afraid I doubt we'll see that day anytime soon. The MP44 is a badass looking gun and will sell to the non WW2 enthusiasts as well simply out of coolness factor. I'd be willing to bet one of the biggest reasons there hasn't been a Garand AEG is the magazine issue. There is no real way to make a hicap for a garand, and most players aren't into the lowcap/milsim style of play. There is also no way of having a realistic way of loading an aeg garand. Although most of us would be thrilled to have an m1 aeg to the point the loading/mag issue wouldn't bother us, I think to airsoft market as a whole(to who the more real the better) it would be a problem.
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Post by vonnoober on Jan 14, 2009 19:58:03 GMT -5
You have passion sir Polski, no harm in that. On another note; I saw a trailer on Spielberg's The Pacific (Which is not available on web anymore... crap), so maybe this will swawn more interest in WWII guns like SPR and BoB did which gave us the M1A1. A decent M1 carbine, M1903 and M3 would be a nice addition. I don't know what I'm looking forward to the most! The MP44 or Spielbergs Pacific ;D I'm looking forward to both, and hoping that Spielbergs "Pacific" will increase interest in Pacific Theatre WWII Airsoft/Re-enacting.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 14, 2009 23:34:21 GMT -5
It is unfortunate but the overall length, weight and limited ammo capabilities of WW2 weapons make them too unattractive to the mass airsoft market (or at least that is what the manufacturers think.) I think what they would discover is they'd have a niche and with the availability of the weapons the market would grow immediately. It reprsents a market a single manufacturer could really tap and develope that the others may not hone in on immediately. My questions has always been for Chripes sake how many M4, MP5, AK variants does the world of airsoft really need!
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jan 15, 2009 1:32:44 GMT -5
I don't understand the attraction either. You have more tension and better games with WW2's less offensive-minded weapons. When you have too many MG's running around, attacking is tougher than ever and the battle becomes WWI-like. Of course if you have artillery and better yet armor you can reduce that effect but still you have to overcome it. Having bolt actions and even semi-autos increases the Fun factor. I've done some modern events now and they are just not my cup of tea.
Everyone thinks that the M-4's and AK's make for a realistic game. NOT. Even when doing modern correctly, let's face it, the modern infantryman has a very short anticipated life span due to the lethality of modern small arms as well as all the other things out there that can be used in real war but can't be used in airsoft. I think WW2 really is more interesting tactically. IMHO.
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Post by lrich on Jan 15, 2009 2:28:34 GMT -5
I don't understand the attraction either. You have more tension and better games with WW2's less offensive-minded weapons. When you have too many MG's running around, attacking is tougher than ever and the battle becomes WWI-like. Of course if you have artillery and better yet armor you can reduce that effect but still you have to overcome it. Having bolt actions and even semi-autos increases the Fun factor. I've done some modern events now and they are just not my cup of tea. Everyone thinks that the M-4's and AK's make for a realistic game. NOT. Even when doing modern correctly, let's face it, the modern infantryman has a very short anticipated life span due to the lethality of modern small arms as well as all the other things out there that can be used in real war but can't be used in airsoft. I think WW2 really is more interesting tactically. IMHO. I wholeheartedly agree, but i still love the look and just about everything about the stg, and have wanted one since like 2nd grade when i saw one. I do wish that more people would use semi auto though (and more semi auto WWII guns would come out), it would make the games tactically more interesting. The problem though is that airsoft makers have catered to the automatic crowd, i do believe there are a decent few guns that shouldn't have automatic capabilities but do.
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Post by Polski on Feb 1, 2009 6:19:09 GMT -5
Hello Everyone, I’m afraid to ask this due to the response I might receive, but temptation has eaten away my patience. What has happened to the Chinese Mp44 and MG42? I’ve heard rumors that the company has been closed down, but I’m hoping that’s not the case. If anyone knows what the current status of these two guns are, please inform us.
Thank you, Polski
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Post by mischief on Feb 1, 2009 8:03:08 GMT -5
Well they are celebrating new year(ox I think) til Monday, maybe things will pick up after that.
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Post by kalbs on Feb 1, 2009 20:04:32 GMT -5
Hello Everyone, I’m afraid to ask this due to the response I might receive, but temptation has eaten away my patience. What has happened to the Chinese Mp44 and MG42? I’ve heard rumors that the company has been closed down, but I’m hoping that’s not the case. If anyone knows what the current status of these two guns are, please inform us. Thank you, Polski The CNY has actually been extended longer this year due to the economy. I'm not sure what this means regarding the MP44 release. I have seen nothing here from retailers or other information from manufacturers. They said late February so let's just hold our breath a bit longer... and pray. 3 million Chinese migrant workers have been laid off so far.
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Post by lrich on Feb 1, 2009 23:28:46 GMT -5
wow, that is pretty bad, i hope it gets better soon, it will really be pretty bad if the company collapses after it has gotten this far.
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Post by Chaos on Feb 3, 2009 3:26:19 GMT -5
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