Why so Many SS Troops?

[stuka]

Issah, this is airsoft, we can barley get more then ten at a game, while all of us here love quality, i am sure most if not all of us would prefer to have as many people as possible rather then only having a few people to play.

This isn't Hokey gathering, we don't care if you don't have the right gun, boots or are missing a button

[LϟϟAH1944]

I did not comment on uniforms, weapons, etc. However, if you are obviously underage, or are fashioning an east german tunic and an AK, I know I sure as heck wouldn't let ya to an event! Although many here probably disagree with me, and I'll probably be opening a can of worms myself, I like to have high authenticity as much as possible. When I've seen some photos on other sites of ww2 airsoft, it is clear why many BF guys don't like airsofters.I am fully aware that not everyone can afford very nice stuff, but there are great deals out there. I'd rather have somebody show up with a spring m1 carbine than a burlapped m14, even if it means that he might not be as much of an asset to the battle. I think that more importantly than a weapon should be looks, i.e. uniform, haircut, etc. I guess I think differently, and honestly would rather see 15 fully kitted out, great looking airsoft reenactors than 40 crappy looking, east-german tunic wearing, ak47 using guys. Also, it's one thing if somebody just wants to try it out, but if you actually want to get serious, than there really isn't a reason not to have all spot-on stuff.

[LϟϟAH1944]

Another thing to note is that this isn't the same as 10 years ago. 10 years ago, a low cost uniform might have ran you out 100 for a simple feldbluse. But now, with hikishop and a few others, you can get (actually decent!) stuff for extremely cheaply. throw in all of the forums and facebook groups, you can get a pretty damn good kit for probably $150 for German, and $100 for US infantry.

[volkssturm]

Nov 12, 2013 13:19:11 GMT -5 dasreich said:

Nov 12, 2013 12:35:21 GMT -5 volkssturm said:

The Hitlerjugend division wasn't untrained militia. It was a full fledged and very effect combat division. Wiki has a good article on it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_SS_Panzer_Division_Hitlerjugend

The enlisted men were all drawn from the Hitler Youth and were mostly teenagers, but the officers were all combat veterans.

And here's a link to a 12th SS hitlerjugend reenacter group:

12thssmn.com/

thks, but i am not interest in real gun reenacting. the people who do it r mean and nasty.

I added the link to the reenactor group just for the information and pictures it contains, which would be helpful if you decide to do a Hitlerjugend impression.

[dasreich]

it is ok the real reenactors are just mean too me u guys are much nicer then them

[LϟϟAH1944]

well, we aren't mean. However, you come here showing almost a complete lack of even basic understanding of ww2. I mean, ww1 ss? black uniforms for wss? insisting that LAH was das reich? pickelhaulbes in ww2? Some of your posts seem to be comically hilarious, almost as if youre trying to troll us.

[shiftysgarand]

Nov 14, 2013 19:44:14 GMT -5 LϟϟAH1944 said:

well, we aren't mean. However, you come here showing almost a complete lack of even basic understanding of ww2. I mean, ww1 ss? black uniforms for wss? insisting that LAH was das reich? pickelhaulbes in ww2? Some of your posts seem to be comically hilarious, almost as if youre trying to troll us.

Indeed we thought you were a troll until you explained you were 12 years old.

[ssgjoe]

I do Heer, but not SS. My reason, is because of the history of the SS. While I know a lot of SS impressionists aren't racist, I know quite a few that are. They didn't start off racist, but being sorrunded by it made them that way. The Waffen SS in real life was terrible, from undressing young women, raping them and tying them up in a tree, to throwing living babies in a bakers oven, to blowing up a church full of children, and more stuff like that. Now the Heer was not perfect, but the SS was far less perfect, and it was probably one of the worst military/private military organizations to exist, arguably THE worst. Not all SS impressionists are racist, most probably aren't, and I don't have a problem with SS impressionists, it's just I stray from that stuff. A family friend gad brithers die in concentration camps, and many members of the Waffen SS were former concentration camp guards. Quite a few, especially in the Totenkopf SS. Anyway, one more thing. The conscripts that didn't have a choice and stuffed into a uniform, that thing, that only happened toward the end of the war when Germany was desperate for troops.

[stuka]

The ss political bit was more aggressive then ss soldiers like say the 502nd, they were just elite soldiers

[ssgjoe]

The Waffen SS was pretty political also. I would suggest the book "Black Angels" by Rupert Butler. It gives the whole story of the SS. The author admires that they were elite, but recognizes that many of them, most actually, participated in war crimes. And he gives it in detail. After the Malmedy Massacre, survivors who were feigning death said they heard the SS soldiers laughing while they walked/rode off. He compared it to that of a group of kids after leaving the playground to go do something else. The Waffen SS was pretty bad. Not to mention as I might have said before, that many members if the Waffen SS served as concentration camp guards, mainly members of the Totenkopf divisions of the SS.

[stuka]

but again, the 502nd were just elite troops, they aren't necessarily known to be so extreme. Somebody has to portray the bad guy, and it's fine if you don't wanna be a ss unit but i am just saying, ss doesn't necessarily mean the devil's spawn if you will. This doesn't mean i am supporting it and we should stop this before it becomes derpy political and stuff

[ssgjoe]

Oh, I know. Not everyWaffen SS unit committed war crimes. But those were few. You're just naming one unit, and I know one or two, but I can't name them off the top if my head. But for the most part, they were war criminals. They were elite, but elite soldiers can still commit war crimes. Another thing, there are too many SS troops. SS greatly outnumbers Heer in WWII airsoft games, but in the actual war, it was the other way around. And yes, someone needs to play badguy, and I do as a Heer impressionist, but I don't play really bad guy. I'm not saying its bad for you to be SS, but there are too many SS troops for it to be accurate.

[ssgjoe]

M not saying SS impressionists are the devil's spawn, I am saying the original SS is.