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Post by vanhalen213tx on Dec 1, 2007 7:07:51 GMT -5
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Post by theactionman on Dec 1, 2007 8:52:17 GMT -5
Ahh you beat me to the post, i saw it and shocked i rushed over to this site. Anyway, as much as i would love one the details seem a bit iffy right now i left a review post asking the rsov staff to answer some questions. But as it stands...
1.It is a shell-ejecting spring rifle, meaning it is not really a clone of anything to my knowledge (except maybe the super 9) 2. Extra Shells are not Currently available 3. If it is a sort of half copy of the marushin 98k, the only one i know of that ejects shells, i have heard of a problem with a weak cocking handle. Combine this with a spring one with no replacement parts, and you have a problem
Again, i am new to WW2 air soft, so if any of those more knowledgeable could shed more light on the situation, it would be much appreciated.
-The Action Man
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Post by Guinness on Dec 1, 2007 11:17:58 GMT -5
Great news report guys! Thanks for bringing it over here! And now what we all want to see, pictures! So the wood does not look to be the best, but as usual with clones, hopefully it will make a good base to build from- swap the guts out into a real wood stock, etc. More G2 on Gunners- "Spring Powered Kar 98K from Dboys, comes with 5 cartridges, It has a different action (push cocking) than most of the Spring rifles in the market (pull cocking), power will be around 350-370 fps with average accuracy" ->Good catch Slick! Thanks! Slainte!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 1, 2007 13:22:50 GMT -5
They went to the trouble to develope and build this thing and the price is certainly attractive enough. For the effort you'd think they would have bagged the cartridge hassle and gone with one of their tried and true VSR clone internals and made it a functional, competitive gun.
Now they'll assume the lack of sales is an indication of a lack of interest in WW2 rifles. This will hurt us more then it will help us I'm afraid. Perhaps it could be married to a clone base rifle with power and we can get some value out of it.
It looks quite good for the money. Put a sling on it and treat the fake wood with a decent acrylic overcoat and it would look pretty good.
Bolt action rifles really need to shoot in the high 300s (FPS) at least in order to be viable on an airsoft skirmish field. I'll bet this thing is lucky if it hits 260 FPS with 20 gram.
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Post by slick63 on Dec 1, 2007 13:54:13 GMT -5
Its over on Gunner as well with a better description, made by Dboys and about 350 fps. Gotta agree the cartridge thing is a crappy idea, been waiting for a clone k98 to come along for ages and they have to mess it up like this
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Post by pointman on Dec 1, 2007 15:52:05 GMT -5
I wonder how hard/easy it would be to swap the internals for VSR ones? I do have to agree that this has been a long time coming,..it's just odd that they would use such a flawed system by adding the cartridges...maybe it's one of those deals that you dont really have to use them and they are there for cosmetic reason..like the old marui mp5s the had a shell ejection system.
anyone selling it in the states yet?
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 1, 2007 15:54:28 GMT -5
I might get one if there cheap like 150$ 200$. I think the ejecting shells make it look better especially when firing, though I have never shot one. Why is the ejecting shell system flawed.
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Post by savoy6 on Dec 1, 2007 16:02:37 GMT -5
cause it sucks looking for your shells to put more bb's in while folks with aegs are banging away at you....same reason the super9 doesn't sell since the vsr10 clones came out..
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 1, 2007 16:09:55 GMT -5
If you could buy extra shells it would solve that.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Dec 1, 2007 16:19:17 GMT -5
because if/when you lose the shells, you cannot shoot the gun I believe. That means you only can use the 5 shells provided, and have to pick them all up. Also, you have to place the BB in the shell. For reloading purposes, it stinks. Shells may seem more "cool" but they're practical by no means.
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Post by pointman on Dec 1, 2007 16:25:40 GMT -5
Gunner airsoft in HK sells them for $79.00 That's a price I can live with...just need more shells
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Post by Guinness on Dec 1, 2007 16:27:21 GMT -5
I have one inbound for Review purposes! ;D
Slainte!
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Post by Guinness on Dec 1, 2007 16:29:59 GMT -5
Man that price stinks 79$ for shells(not good). How much is the Kar98 itself. ummmmm Please re-read the thread before your flogged
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 1, 2007 16:33:24 GMT -5
79$ For the K98. Thats a good price. With some modification I bet you could convert it to non shell, just BB firing.
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Post by 101steasykid on Dec 1, 2007 16:34:36 GMT -5
I am not sure if this is just me, but the link isn't working. It says product not found, even though I it was working for me this weekend. I tried a few times and it didn't work. I even typed Kar 98 in the search box on www.rsvo.com. -Michael
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 1, 2007 16:38:44 GMT -5
It doesn't work for me either
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Post by pointman on Dec 1, 2007 16:39:27 GMT -5
I couldnt find the one on rsvo.com, but if any US dealer had one for sale, I'd jump on it in a minute! I dont even know if it has any real wood or metal, but for $80, who cares.
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Post by vanhalen213tx on Dec 1, 2007 17:25:13 GMT -5
I couldnt find the one on rsvo.com, but if any US dealer had one for sale, I'd jump on it in a minute! I dont even know if it has any real wood or metal, but for $80, who cares. theres your problem it's RSOV.com
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Post by slick63 on Dec 1, 2007 17:34:45 GMT -5
One of the chaps over on the UK forum reckons this is a copy of the early Marushin K98 before they went to gas. I did hear the chinese had a problem a while back trying to convert a Tanaka K98 to a springer so maybe this is why they copied the early Marushin.
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Post by Wonko_The_Sane on Dec 1, 2007 17:34:52 GMT -5
If the price truly is only 80$ then I could care less about the shells. I think there awesome, and since I play only sniper/reconnaissance role I fire less than 10 shots a game, so losing them won't be a problem. As for the FPS and accuracy, I'm sure I can get DBC to make a 6.01 barrel for it, so then it will have O.K. Fps at about 400.
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Post by sniper on Dec 1, 2007 23:36:04 GMT -5
I think you could have a bag or something to catch the shells, or if they made a box of cheep shells you could afforded to loose them.
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Post by hoyaboy30 on Dec 2, 2007 1:34:26 GMT -5
Yeah!!!!! More Kar98s I was getting a bit tired of seeing germans use MP40s all the time
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Post by ukkolzi on Dec 2, 2007 12:56:20 GMT -5
I wonder how difficult it would be to put a VSR or APS2 in the plastic stock. Presumably it is hollow with thin plastic reinforcements, so it may be tricky and may require plastic padding.
It's a shame that they decided to copy the sh*ttiest design for field use. But at that price, at least it'll make a nice reenactment posing gun for those who can't afford a deactivated real gun. Maybe the other Chinese manufacturers realise that there's a clear market hole for a good gaming 98k. After all, they copy each other too.
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Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Dec 2, 2007 13:56:08 GMT -5
i will no doubt purchase this Kar-98, with or without extra shells, ive been trying to get into WWII airsoft theme but turned away by the price on the Tanaka Kar-98s, and didnt want a MP-40. i was just about to get a VSR and use as a Kar-98. thank you chinese cheep airsoft gods, lol
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 2, 2007 14:47:19 GMT -5
I don't want to piss on anyones Wheaties but...
The stock is plastic as is the receiver group. Not surprising at all given the price point. With a little cosmetic touch up I'm guessing you can get it to look quite good. In addition to the hassle of loosing shells there are other challenges as well. Airsoft guns back in the early 80s were virtually all shell operated and all my initial airsoft guns back then operated that way. (Mini 14, m1 carbine, KG-9 and assorted pistols)
You have to be quite precise when loading the BBs into the shell (a little film of vaseline worked wonders) Their shots however were still very inconsistent. The power was consistently around 260 FPS with 12 gram. The current shell firing SKS on Kappowe is about the same. Perhaps the FPS has been improved but I seriously doubt the 350 FPS claim (even with 12 gram) Don't expect this gun to be a skirmisher in its current from. Installing a VSR clone is a great concept that hopefully will be easy to do.
This appears to be a great value at its low price although keep in mind you have to factor in shipping as well. Lets hope its more effective then I am predicting and that spare shells are readily available and affordable or it can be easily modified.
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Post by bluecrabofpain on Dec 2, 2007 17:04:29 GMT -5
Wait, who made this thing? Rsov says its made by ACM, and Gunnerairsoft says its made by Dboys. Are they both the same, or is this one of those S3/AGM MP40 episodes?
EDIT: Oh wait, ACM isn't a company name, is it?
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Post by pointman on Dec 2, 2007 17:43:01 GMT -5
Wait, who made this thing? Rsov says its made by ACM, and Gunnerairsoft says its made by Dboys. Are they both the same, or is this one of those S3/AGM MP40 episodes? EDIT: Oh wait, ACM isn't a company name, is it? I dont think so...I think ACM means All Chinese Made...its just the same way as they refer to it as cheapsoft instead of airsoft.
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Post by vanhalen213tx on Dec 2, 2007 17:54:20 GMT -5
You could try to get stripper clips, and convert real K98 shells
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Dec 2, 2007 18:12:34 GMT -5
I think that was tried and failed, (for the Marushin) forgot by whom though...
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Post by pointman on Dec 2, 2007 19:31:19 GMT -5
As soon as I find a US dealer, I'll most likely pick one up...if it seems like it's a somewhat reliable piece of airsoft, then I'll probably pick up a second to convert my VSR-10 and then have 10 shells for the first one...that is until someone makes spare shells..
I assume that the marushin ones are 8mm and thus wont fit, right?
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