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Post by bluecrabofpain on Dec 2, 2007 22:44:41 GMT -5
I'll definately be getting this. the only problem is that I just slammed over a grand on a brand new computer, and I have sadly little money to spare I will be buying this though, $80 for a kar98 exceeds all of my expectations, unless of course it shoots like a $10 springer. Then i'll be upset. Definitely not a skirmishing weapon, although I may end up bringing it to a skirmishing field just for bad laughs lol. I bet with some oven clay, good precision, and a little determination, you could make your own spare shells. Who knows? If the gun is a fraction of the cost of a Marushin, hopefully the shells will be too. $30 for 5 shells is just ridiculous.
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Post by bluecrabofpain on Dec 2, 2007 22:50:37 GMT -5
wait, does this gun even come with a stripper clip? Because if it doesn't then that really kinda blows.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Dec 2, 2007 23:03:01 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it doesn't. I don't think a stripper clip would be impossible to find or break the budget though. It may need a tad bit of modification though.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 2, 2007 23:10:54 GMT -5
Obviously a lot of questions will be answered once someone gets their hot little hands on one. Guinness as always we're counting on you. In order to work in the gun the shells have to be an exact fit and with very precise tolerances so don't expect to able to fabricate your own.
I think if everyone keeps their expectations very very low this gun will not disappoint but I'm afraid if folks are thinking about this being any thing more then a pose rifle or indoor plinker they're going to be sadly discouraged. I can virtually guarantee you the power will NOT be up to skirmishing levels. Probably just enough to knock toy soldiers down from accross the room. Oh come on we all do it!
I will no doubt buy one as the price is very very low and I want to encourage the Chinese to make more WW2 offerings although hopefully not shell ejecting guns. Incidently the thin film of vaseline on the BB before placing it inside the shell will give you a better seal and a bit more power but also requires you to clean your barrel about every 30 to 50 shots.
The shells are in their own way kinda cool but not for skirmishing. It would probably be too much to ask for the shells to be identical to the SKS springer as I have about 30 of those shells on hand
A stripper clip would probably not be too hard to create.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Dec 3, 2007 0:51:59 GMT -5
The Marushin can use real steel stripper clips for its shells. Perhaps this one will aswell. I hope it is a good omen of things to come.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Dec 3, 2007 0:55:16 GMT -5
YAY, I only have like 60 of those for my RS Kar98k.
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Post by jd7 on Dec 3, 2007 5:13:01 GMT -5
I fancy buying a few of these even if just to have a rack of K98's in my WW2 'bunker'
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Post by valtteri on Dec 3, 2007 10:00:37 GMT -5
I had the Marushin springer and this seems to be a copy of it. Like the description says, it cocs the spring when you push the bolt forward. I cannot think of any decent way to convert it into non-shell action. The shells act as nozzles and go way deep into the receiver. Okay, permanently fix one shell into the end of the bolt and make up a mag feed somewhere, I'm sure somebody is able to make it work, but will it be worth the hassle.. I don't think it can be upgraded. The bolt, which acts as a cylinder, is moldet to the shape of real steel bolt and is quite weak at the rear. My Marushin broke before I got to test it on the field. The marushin had hop-up and was surprisingly accurate. Marushin seemingly wasn't able to make very long 6mm barrels, so their inner barrel was two-piece. The gun was surprisingly accurate AFTER I removed the extra piece and fancied a bushing that held the inner barrel centered so the BB wouldn't hit the sides of the muzzle as it travelled some ten centimeters inside a hollow outer barrel. Some low quality pics of the marushin springer in my article about it: leka-airsoft.fi/aselista/?nayta_ase=marushin_kar98kPS. I sold this gun to Ukkoli, who threw away the receiver group & bold and put the rest parts into an APS-2, shown somewhere else in this forum.
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Post by mischief on Dec 3, 2007 10:33:35 GMT -5
If there's a will there's a way! Really I just want it for the body. And if it can only be made into a "sniper"(as in no way to swap out the innerds) then so be it. It is still a step in the right direction........even if its only a stumble
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Post by schmitty on Dec 3, 2007 11:14:01 GMT -5
I still have a Marushin 6mm, spring shell ejecting K98, This Dboys does apear to be a copy of it as valterri already pointed out (excpet the Marushin uses real wood). Real stripper clips do work with it. Mine has always been pretty accurate (mine does not have a 2 piece barrel) and reliable, However it is tottaly unskirmishable, The shells can eject pretty far and finding them again can be a real pain. Mine shoots around 290 FPS, It is not very upgradable.
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Post by TommyGunner on Dec 3, 2007 13:26:59 GMT -5
I might get this and do what ever mods have to be done to throw my VSR-10 internals into the damn thing.
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Post by heinz on Dec 3, 2007 13:48:00 GMT -5
I fancy buying a few of these even if just to have a rack of K98's in my WW2 'bunker' Oi! stop nicking my ideas Del Cheers Kermit.
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Post by jd7 on Dec 3, 2007 13:58:33 GMT -5
I fancy buying a few of these even if just to have a rack of K98's in my WW2 'bunker' Oi! stop nicking my ideas Del Cheers Kermit. I'll just get the t-shirts printed up then instead !!
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Post by Guinness on Dec 3, 2007 18:47:49 GMT -5
Well for the record, it's $125 shipped to my door from my old friends Boomarms. However....I am having some serious reservations just based on the reports I read here -It's not skirmishable because of the shells -It appears to be plastic end to end -Who knows if they copied the Marushin hop-up, so accuracy is in question. So, I think I'm going to pass on this one and wait for the inevitable upgrade version. If it was at least a metal receiver group, I would have been fine. and even though the price is reasonable, I think I will wait
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Post by indy on Dec 3, 2007 18:57:42 GMT -5
I have one on its way. Don't see why everyone is bashing this rifle before seeing it. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by jimseery on Dec 3, 2007 21:24:30 GMT -5
I kinda agree with Indy. We are building the Rocky Mts out of a mole hill here, and even if it is a piece of junk, isn't this a clone of the rifle that Boshman used to do that slick conversion with in another thread?
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Post by sharpshooter on Dec 3, 2007 21:44:48 GMT -5
Don't quote me on this but....
I have a friend who owns a springer sniper rifle (not sure of name) that ejects shells, but there is also a little mag on the side and it can be fired without the shells, could this be the case here......not likely but....
And, I'll snatch one up too. I am a film maker and having my kar actually have spent shells pop out would just look damn cool! ;D
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Post by theactionman on Dec 3, 2007 22:30:40 GMT -5
no, your thinking of a super 9, its a k-mart sniper rifle, that has A, a different feed system for shells, and B) the mounts for the little side magazine.... and as fellow film maker, i couldnt agree more on the shells
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Post by vanhalen213tx on Dec 4, 2007 8:21:05 GMT -5
According to airsoft news it is part of a series. I just pray a mosin nagant will be next!
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Post by Guinness on Dec 4, 2007 12:35:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know guys- based on the pics up on AirsoftNews.eu airsoft-news.eu/news.phpIt kinda looks like a metal receiver group- the bolt certainly is metal and I guess I don't see them making a zinc(?) or aluminum bolt to mate with a plastic receiver- Also the sight is metal and the barrel just behind it looks metal as well. So as is usual with me this time of year, I have reversed yet again my stance and ordered the gun from Boomarms. I will try to post these latest pics up this afternoon. As vanhalen pointed out, this is a 'series' The box has the prominant US Star as well as the Axis cross- Let the speculation on the upcoming products begin! My money's on a metal Greasegun!
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Post by TommyGunner on Dec 4, 2007 13:17:42 GMT -5
Hmmmm.......I wonder if the Springfield is up next? Or a Garand? TommyGunner
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Post by CharleyNovember on Dec 4, 2007 13:27:01 GMT -5
*crosses fingers* When I get back on my feet I'll buy one at this price. Even if I don't use it for anything other than to use all the parts for a VSR conversion. I am still really hopeful that the Chinese will come through with the WW2 weaponry. If they do start providing the shells at a reasonable cost and it has good performance I really am looking forward to playing with one of these. I hope it is the 1st in a long series of WW2 weaponry.
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Post by jugendkrieger on Dec 4, 2007 13:35:18 GMT -5
-Links broken or not allowed by original site-
They Posted Some Photos of it on the modeling section of a forum i frequent, looks nice, i will get it. and finally get into Airsoft
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 4, 2007 13:40:24 GMT -5
Obviously a Springfield would be the next logical step and although its not real wood I know it can be vsually enhanced to the degree that it will look good and if nothing else can be converted using a VSR type base rifle. This company undoubtedly won't continue the series if this one doesn't sell well and for that reason alone I have ordered one.
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Post by Guinness on Dec 4, 2007 13:48:06 GMT -5
It occurs to me that this is yet another Marushin clone-
So can a M1 Carbine or M1 Garand be far behind? it would be nice to see a rebirth of the 6mm M1 Carbine, although the first gen 8mm NBB Carbine was arguably the best version ever made of that gun. The 6mm's were about average and the receivers were made of plastic.
If this 'trend' continues, I would look for a gas powered M712 Broomhandled Mauser and the M1 Garand eventually. I would be surprised if we saw them cover the recently released MP40 with the popularity of the AGM version.
Although I would dearly love a Grease Gun, it's probably only wishful thinking on my part- We saw the AGM MP40 spring out of the ashes of the TOP product- And as stated China seems to be going down the lineup of Marushin guns, I have just never seen a copy of a Hudson product anywhere! Not to say it isn't in the works, it's just so far the cloners are not adding anything new to the WWII Airsoft gun gene pool.
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Post by slick63 on Dec 4, 2007 13:52:43 GMT -5
Gotta remember chaps that the chinese copy things, so its doubtful we`ll get anything original....although they could produce some cheap versions of the KTW guns
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Post by valtteri on Dec 4, 2007 13:54:45 GMT -5
The original Marushin had metal bolt with plastic receiver, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. As for next product, I'm pessimistic. Propably a re-branded Thompson.
I won't order one until I get confirmed I can get spare shells for it. I lost 2 of my 5 shells from my Marushin within the 2 first hours after getting the gun..
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Post by CharleyNovember on Dec 4, 2007 14:57:59 GMT -5
Well I think the MP40 was an improvement of functinality over the TOP. Some say the TOP looked better I think it was negligible. So the Cloners do improve on some products slightly. One never knows with these things. As soon as someone gets one in I guess we will all know. I will probally still buy one to add the parts to a VSR conversion. At that price why not.
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Post by Seff on Dec 4, 2007 14:59:21 GMT -5
Gotta remember chaps that the chinese copy things, so its doubtful we`ll get anything original....although they could produce some cheap versions of the KTW guns They've made independent stuff - the AGM MP40 was not a clone as much as a piece completion of TOP's design - since TOP's design didn't really work, am I right? Anyway, an AEG Garand or Carbine or Grease gun og Springfield would make my day.
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Post by pointman on Dec 4, 2007 15:27:27 GMT -5
I have a few thoughts on this... 1)I'm very skeptical of the skirmish capabilities of this K98k with the shells...it does seem at this point that it will probably be a base for a VSR (or T96) conversion. I wonder if there is a way to make a permanent magazine for it that can hold more ammo, but can be refilled with a feeding tube or the like? 2)Regardless of Quality, I feel that once I find a US dealer selling them; I'll buy one. It might not be nearly what we want in a WW2 weapon, but if there is no response from the market, then they will just move on to making SCARs and AKs...I think that Chinese factories will not spend the time to support a product that doesnt sell. So for the sake of supporting a WW2 airsoft market, I would get one. 3) the big issue is that there is no way to discuss these concerns with manufacturers...I'm sure that if we had the opportunity to sit down with the guys a DBoys and tell them "We want a better quality rifle with no shells", they would probably try to get that to us knowing that it would sell....sure, it may cost twice as much as the one they currently offer, but I dont think there would be much objection to paying $200-$300 for a all wood/metal K98k that worked like the VSR. I cantwait for a review form Indy...and if anyone finds a US dealer, let me know
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