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Post by Jager.Drü on Jun 3, 2008 23:55:14 GMT -5
Or lose the Heer smock and go for an Hitlerjugend impression. Which the italian camo and SS helmet cover would go perfect.
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Post by flectarn on Jun 4, 2008 1:07:17 GMT -5
I agree, OAK and Italian Camo are an SS thing. Your age seems like you would fit into the 12th SS. The 1st ss , the 12th ss being her sister unit, was also issued stockpiles of Italian camo.
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Post by click on Jun 4, 2008 1:19:38 GMT -5
Yeah I say go for the SS look as well. You already have the tunic, so loose the smock and just go with that. But you will want the SS insignia. The Italian camo trousers look sweet btw!
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Post by flectarn on Jun 4, 2008 17:13:06 GMT -5
I wouldnt go as far as to lose the smock just purchase an oak one, the new ones from ATF are pretty good for the money. Honestly , from photos, SS soldaten were issued smocks most of the time. It was much much more common to see them without a helmet cover and without camo trousers. Especially if you are going as 12th SS. Ive only seen one 12th soldier with minimal camouflage; that being an Oak Zeltbahn and a Plane tree helmet cover. He was an artillery man, not infantry.
edit: Looking at your picture again it looks like you're going for a warm climate impression. I say ditch the tunic in general and just get yourself the ATF smock. HBT tunics, not to say they didnt, but didnt see much use with the SS if they already had camouflage smocks. Gators arent entirely necessary, they tended to Rot and the socks would be rolled over the pantlegs.
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Post by mikkel on Jun 14, 2008 9:01:43 GMT -5
I doubt the originality of the helmet cover. Ditto with the y-straps. Boots i can't comment on as i can't see them in detail.
Trousers made of postwar italian tent material?
Tunic looks very big to you (in the collar), is it your size?
I would also lose the bluse t-shirt and get a proper service shirt.
About the rest, I agree to what the others have said.
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Post by Lev on Jun 30, 2008 10:14:58 GMT -5
Hey, migmadmavis!
Overall you've got a good start. Were you being held to our unit's standards, here's what our critique would be:
1) Your overcoat is the weakest part of your impression. The jacket just isn't right and wouldn't pass muster in most groups. Your first priority should be to invest in a proper tunic. FYI, insignia was rarely worn on overcoats. If you must wear that particular coat, ditch the collar insignia.
2) Invest is a shovel carrier, breadbag, canteen and gasmask can.
Most units have stricter standards than what you currently have put together. It's important that your clothing be based off originals and that they aren't surplus items that meet a "costume" standard.
Hope this helps!
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Post by Thebalks on Jul 4, 2008 12:38:46 GMT -5
Isolatedkamarad, is that an M16 style WWI german helmet? Other than that looks good
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Post by isolatedkamerad on Jul 6, 2008 15:21:45 GMT -5
that helmet is a plastic copy I will be ordering a M43 dot camo cap I found that helmet on Utah beach oaklahoma DDay 2008 I think it is a ww1 style I just threw it in because I had it.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 6, 2008 17:55:48 GMT -5
Dot 44 caps were never made by the German Military. Get an feldgrau one with SS insigna.
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Post by gadge on Jul 6, 2008 18:30:20 GMT -5
Yup same as dot44 helmet covers - pure fantasy.
The only items made for definate in dot44 (erbsenmuster) was the infantry uniform (jacket and trousers) and a couple of panzer varients.
The dot44 FJ smocks are debatable as to their 'validity' and if they are real if they were ever issued.
Given that the german army didnt label camoglage the way we do it was just 'camoflage' not dot44. planetree, oakleaf or any of the names re-enactors and collectors have since called it, they just called it a camoflage smock.
Thus you'll see a massive variety of patterns in the same section and even on the same guy.
Its far more historically accurate to mix various patterns then try and have only one style on your impression.
*real* ss smocks even have more than one pattern/type in the same garment as it was all just cam fabric to the factories.
Airsofters in particular just get really hung up on having matching kit and it just doesnt work like that (it still doesnt when i got my first issue of kit in 1998 their were massive shade and pattern differences in the kit i got, none of it 'matched'.)
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Post by gadge on Jul 6, 2008 18:34:39 GMT -5
With regards to 'what to buy next'
Boots (dont get jack boots if you're wearing dot44, you want low boots without a toe cap - modern British 'Boots - Combat High' look bang on if you cut the boot top down a few inches and dont mid having rubber treaded soles rather than hob nails)
Then you'll want a belt and a couple of MP40 pouches.
After that bread bag is bloody useful for batteries and bbs etc, Y-straps can be added to take off the excess weight.
I cant recommend buying a 'zeltbahn' camo poncho/shelter strongly enough, its a cracking bit of kit and again dont try and get one in dot44 - they didnt exist.
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Post by binarypunisher on Jul 6, 2008 20:21:20 GMT -5
The dot44 FJ smocks are debatable as to their 'validity' and if they are real if they were ever issued. Dot 44 FJ smocks definitely existed. AFAIK, all of the major FJ collectors agree on this fact - now whether they were issued is another debate. I have photos of Dot44 smocks I can post if you are interested. |
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 6, 2008 23:20:51 GMT -5
Theres a few pictures of them on WAF. But I can't agree more about not matching kit. Renactors and airsofters do it to no end. Also for some reason most people dont like to get their kit dirty.
Dirtier the better.
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Post by click on Jul 7, 2008 3:48:39 GMT -5
On a slightly off topic note to what is bing discussed, migmadmavis: Your giaters are on the wrong legs  You want the tabs to be on the outside of your leg and pointing behind you. Click |
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Post by isolatedkamerad on Jul 7, 2008 13:02:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the information and could anyone tell me weather the mp40 mag pouches and low boots on militarytour.com are any good? the mag pouches are$ 40.00 for a set of two and anouther thing about the pouches is that one of them has a pouch for a reloading tool is that accurate? and the boots were $50.00 they have leather soles they look right to me but in the land of reproductions I am still an ignorant beginner. On that note does anyone know a good referance book for the a 6th. SS Gebirgs Impression?
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Post by gadge on Jul 7, 2008 17:27:56 GMT -5
Yes the reloading pouch is fine, i keep a spare battery in mine (it just fits)
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Post by click on Jul 8, 2008 1:43:57 GMT -5
Paul, I really like the pics! I like the atmosphere of the card game as well. Keep up the good work! Like on your US impressions, how much of your gear is original?
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Post by Jager.Drü on Aug 16, 2008 9:54:10 GMT -5
Mig,
I'm really digging the Feld Divison. I would stay away from the jacks as it looks killer right now with low boots. Like you said a Luft buckle is needed but not so much the tunic and blue paint for the helmet. Right now you look legit, if I had more money I would join you in the Feld Divison.
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Post by migmadmavis on Sept 3, 2008 21:14:39 GMT -5
Mig, I'm really digging the Feld Divison. I would stay away from the jacks as it looks killer right now with low boots. Like you said a Luft buckle is needed but not so much the tunic and blue paint for the helmet. Right now you look legit, if I had more money I would join you in the Feld Divison. Thanks I just posted some more pics of my updated "WInter" Feld Division impression in the Picture thread. Ill hopefully be making it to the Long Winter event this year, and ill be going in my feld division unifrom. Does it usually snow during the event whatever time of the year it is? |
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Post by binarypunisher on Sept 4, 2008 1:16:52 GMT -5
dude, KICKASS impression. I love it!
Only suggestion is replace the smock...thats splinter A and LWFD used splinter B.
As far as weather...who knows. It probably wont snow, and there probably wont be snow on the ground - but it will be coooold. Who knows though...PacNW is going through a global cooling...
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Post by mikkel on Sept 4, 2008 6:39:32 GMT -5
While the soldbuch is a nice tuch, it's completely wrong filled out. I'm sorry to say.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Sept 5, 2008 14:29:06 GMT -5
Very cool LWFD impression. The winter camo job is a nice touch, but like Brian said it most likely won't snow, unless we do closer to the mountian this year.
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Post by click on Oct 22, 2008 15:58:26 GMT -5
Mig, you look awesome! I love the LWFD impression, I am no expert, but you look great!
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Post by Gerry on Nov 12, 2008 20:46:40 GMT -5
Shady cadence, you need to get that helmet liner squared away!
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Post by binarypunisher on Nov 12, 2008 21:22:50 GMT -5
What is that impression even of?
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Post by Adler69 on Nov 12, 2008 21:47:54 GMT -5
Late war FJ .
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Post by binarypunisher on Nov 12, 2008 21:50:34 GMT -5
With a Heer tunic?
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Post by Jager.Drü on Nov 12, 2008 21:57:02 GMT -5
He's a part of a Heer group and has Grendier under his avatar. Is it an Heer impression with a Sturm splinter A smock?
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Post by Adler69 on Nov 12, 2008 21:59:12 GMT -5
looks like a Jump Smock to me.
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Post by binarypunisher on Nov 12, 2008 21:59:50 GMT -5
Yeah, look at what he is wearing under the smock though. I distinctly see Heer collar.
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You want the tabs to be on the outside of your leg and pointing behind you.
