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Post by kalbs on Apr 22, 2010 6:39:06 GMT -5
BS! BS! BS!.... The world-expo? I'm have tons of materials delivered to my projects daily from China. The Expo is in Shanghai, not in the Guangdong province. Did I say BS? "Dear Pre-order customers: Due to the world-expo in China (lie #1), manufacture production and delivery time has been pushed back (lie #2. We apologize for the delay and please rest assured that Evike.com is working diligently to get the new Limited Edition Matrix BAR to your hands as soon as possible. (I'm sure... lie #3?) All the pre-order buyers will receive additional 3 mid-cap magazine on top of the guarantee to own a Matrix BAR.(Mags are back ordered too I assume) As all the Chinese manufactures closing down, this may just be your last chance to own a BAR AEG! ...Huh?... are they closing down or are they delayed... LIE again We understand the frustration of waiting and we sincerely apologize on behalf of the manufacture and Evike.com for this delay. Last but not least, all refund requests will be processed immediately if you wish to cancel your pre-order. Simply drop us an email at sales@evike.com with your order number. based on their record the refund will be delayed too. I assume because of the World Expo again"www.airsoftpost.com/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=32345You guys are getting screwed... 482 products listed as pre-order by them
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Post by crewchief on Apr 22, 2010 13:47:43 GMT -5
Black Bear is only listing to distributors Evike and ACMGear. ACMGear is listing expected release of 5/20. But it looks like they've been having to push dates back as well since the first time I looked at them the date was 4/15.
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Post by Fusilier on Apr 22, 2010 13:53:42 GMT -5
This is SERIOUS BS!
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Post by CharleyNovember on Apr 22, 2010 13:56:50 GMT -5
I give it till my bday. August then I am pulling my money and buying something else smurf this noise. If I can't get it by my bday then geeze I am unwilling to wait for it any longer.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 22, 2010 14:08:10 GMT -5
I knew when I placed my pre-order that the announced release date was optimistic and probably very unrealistic. It's the way these things go. Am I dissapointed? Absolutley! Am I pissed? No, not at this time. I am disappointed that these delays are not forwarded from Evike directly to the folks who placed pre-orders and definitely don't want to be lied to about the reasons. In this age of e-mail and the world wide web, failing to adequately and honestly keeping us informed is inexcuseable. Many many years ago I had a pre-order with Airsoft club on a couple M14s and waited nearly a year to actually receive the rifles. To their credit they did a good job of regularly updating me on the status. I was thrilled with the guns when they finally arrived and hope the same will be true of the two BARs I have on order.
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Post by danp on Apr 26, 2010 20:57:51 GMT -5
Well, one thing's for sure, they're using pics of the CNC version VFC BAR in the advertising. So they don't even have a pic of one of these clones that I've seen.
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Post by gunner29 on Apr 28, 2010 15:42:04 GMT -5
All I have to say is WOW!...I will never deal with Evike again after I get this BAR.
I emailed customer service to clarify how many mags I'm getting. It states 3 additional mags right? That's 3 plus the 2 from the original pre-order deal. So...sounds like I'm getting 5 mags. I was going to try and swindle one more mag to complete my BAR belt of 6 pouches.
I get an email back saying I'm getting 2 total! So...I call the customer service line to talk to a real person. They tell me I'm getting 3 mid cap mags and that was the original deal! I then argue with this guy for 10 min and ask him about the high cap mag that the page lists, telling him I'm reading off the site verbatim!
He puts me on hold and comes back with 3 mid cap mags and 1 high cap mag. So...4 mags total. I'm not even convinced I'll see these mags.
I also emailed back this same argument. Let's see if I get the same answer.
Oh...and did you see the price change again?! It's back to $300 but now it shows that price is reduced from $330.
Holy crap! The only thing keeping me from cancelling my order is the fact that I really, really, really, really want a BAR.
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Post by Fusilier on Apr 28, 2010 16:11:01 GMT -5
All I have to say is WOW!...I will never deal with Evike again after I get this BAR. I emailed customer service to clarify how many mags I'm getting. It states 3 additional mags right? That's 3 plus the 2 from the original pre-order deal. So...sounds like I'm getting 5 mags. I was going to try and swindle one more mag to complete my BAR belt of 6 pouches. I get an email back saying I'm getting 2 total! So...I call the customer service line to talk to a real person. They tell me I'm getting 3 mid cap mags and that was the original deal! I then argue with this guy for 10 min and ask him about the high cap mag that the page lists, telling him I'm reading off the site verbatim! He puts me on hold and comes back with 3 mid cap mags and 1 high cap mag. So...4 mags total. I'm not even convinced I'll see these mags. I also emailed back this same argument. Let's see if I get the same answer. Oh...and did you see the price change again?! It's back to $300 but now it shows that price is reduced from $330. Holy crap! The only thing keeping me from cancelling my order is the fact that I really, really, really, really want a BAR. >> Let me add my massive WOW!! If this isn't one of the biggest scams going,IDK what is! I'm to the point of not even looking forward to it,because I'm convinced, I won't see it before 2011. Ditto the Ares PPSH. Total BS...
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Post by chemicalreaper on Apr 28, 2010 20:55:57 GMT -5
And that is why I no longer deal with Evike. They are impolite, inefficient, and, in their opinion, the customer is always wrong.
Oh, and did I mention the fact that Evike basically lies? They do not keep customers informed of what's happening with their orders, they manipulate and change prices at their own will (without any given reason or explanation), and in my opinion, Evike is almost as big of a scam as the wwiiguns website.
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Post by hairy apple on Apr 28, 2010 21:57:48 GMT -5
Until this I had never had a problem with Evike. They were always fast at shipping stuff, had good prices, ect. However, I dought I will be dealing with them again after this. I just hope that we do get the gun someday....
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 28, 2010 23:24:16 GMT -5
I have had several occassions where I ordered things from Evike that showed as being in stock and they accepted my money. Generally they were pretty prompt about informing me that the items was not available and produced a refund quickly.
Unfortunately this is commonplace among airsoft retailers and can be awfully frustrating expecially when working on a deadline. The BAR is anxiously awaited and hopefuly will be out and delivered before the summer airsoft season is too far gone.
I heard rumors that the drought in China has caused hydro electric generators to limit output and this has caused plant closures. Naturally I have no way to know if this is true or not although I did read some articles that support the excuse. I'd have to think airsoft guns which are illegal to produce technically in China are a low priority product in the grand scheme of things.
I want my BARs!!!!!
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Post by kalbs on Apr 29, 2010 0:11:13 GMT -5
Not a rumor but fact and yes, some areas are low on power and only running for 4 days. Generally however this is more rural areas.
Speculating, I think it has to do with the whole gun ban issue still and tight goverment controls. Although I see new China stuff on shelves here, it is limited as if it is old stock finally getting through. China is still making and exporting tons of other goods worldwide. The World Bank forcasts China's growth for 2010 at 9.5%. Further, other non-airsoft gun items such as vests, repro uniforms and gear and other toys are still coming from China without a problem. Buisiness sourcing websites such as Alibaba used to list all AEG/GBB manufacturers and related product within their listings. This is no longer the case, only components and related gear is listed.
Matrix is a rebranding of other Chinese gun brands such as AGM, d-boyi and etc, it's not really a seperate brand so who knows where its actually being made. Blackbear or whatever the maker's name is may have also been caught up in the China crackdown.
And what about ARES? For a Hong Kong company they seem to be having problems too. I wonder if their stuff is China made?
We are not getting the true story behind what is going in with China's manufacturing of Airsoft guns. I can only hope the flood gates open again and soon. In the mean time we are lucky we have guys like 2nd Batt and Maxim who keep our amories full.
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Post by Fusilier on Apr 29, 2010 5:27:10 GMT -5
Notice Evike was the ONLY website,that I know of,that was offering both the Ares PPSH, and BAR for pre-sale. I saw both of those on any other website that I visited,with the exception of Redwolf where I saw the PPSH. I know one thing,I will NEVER buy a gun through presale ever again! I don't want to see any new gun,or rumor of new gun till its actually on the shelves an being sold!
I learned my lesson.
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Post by springfieldarmory on Apr 29, 2010 16:21:40 GMT -5
To think of all the cool stuff I could have done with that money..... I could have finished building my Springfield for that.
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Post by kalbs on Apr 29, 2010 18:02:02 GMT -5
I got my ARES PPSh on pre-Sale from UNcompany but what was nice is they have not charged my Credit Card yet. Isn't that the way it should always be?
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Post by jimbo12rodgers on Apr 29, 2010 18:16:24 GMT -5
.... this is why I only buy from my local stores. This Is the only gun I've bought online since my first one only because I didn't know about the local store at the time. I'd rather pay a little more to not get royally ripped off.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 29, 2010 18:43:54 GMT -5
Pre-sales are always a bit dicey and patience is usually rewarded with a lower price and frankly a later generation production run that is better than the initial offering. The down side is you don't get to be "that guy" with the "all new", "gee wiz", "lucky you" experience of being the first on the block.
We watched folks who did pre-orders on the sten and the MP44 enjoy that phenomenon and more often than not it all works out. I had of course predicted a delay. (Not at all uncommon, so there certainly is no divine prophet there!) but did so mostly so I could be proven wrong. Years ago I pre-ordered an M14 from Airsoft Club and waited over a year to get it. Eventually they arrived and I was frankly delighted and glad to be six months ahead of the masses. I really hope that sort of delay won't transpire but I for one am willing to wait. It's an airsoft gun I've been wanting to get at an affordable price for over seven years now!
I will push Evike to honor their offer to sweeten the sting with extra magazines.
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Post by Fusilier on Apr 29, 2010 20:40:05 GMT -5
I got my ARES PPSh on pre-Sale from UNcompany but what was nice is they have not charged my Credit Card yet. Isn't that the way it should always be? >> Well how come its not available in the States then?? Thats not cool!
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Post by gunner29 on Apr 29, 2010 20:45:33 GMT -5
I have a response from the customer service email...They say:
Oh yes I apologize then you will receive that many magazines. Thank you for Airsofting and thank you for shopping with Evike.com. Your #1 Airsoft shop!
I have to say....I'm a bit curious what will actually arrive at my door step.
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Post by KillJoy on Apr 29, 2010 21:28:04 GMT -5
I have a response from the customer service email...They say: Oh yes I apologize then you will receive that many magazines. Thank you for Airsofting and thank you for shopping with Evike.com. Your #1 Airsoft shop!I have to say....I'm a bit curious what will actually arrive at my door step. I hope it's not something of cheap plastic, or worse, broken, that would suck!
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Post by kalbs on Apr 29, 2010 21:31:36 GMT -5
I got my ARES PPSh on pre-Sale from UNcompany but what was nice is they have not charged my Credit Card yet. Isn't that the way it should always be? >> Well how come its not available in the States then?? Thats not cool! Sorry Bob, not sure what you mean? I haven't recieved the AEG yet, just saying they never charged my card, at least it hasn't shown up except as a pending charge. I guess I did it with paypal. Their message to me reads: You authorised a payment of $385.00 USD to UN COMPANYThanks for using PayPal. Please note that this is not a charge. Your account will be charged when the merchant processes your payment. You may receive multiple emails as the merchant processes your order.
Your funds will be transferred when the merchant processes your payment. Any money in your PayPal account at that time will be used before any other payment source.
To see the full transaction details, log in to your PayPal account.
It may take a few moments for this transaction to appear in your account."I don't think UN has processeed the payment so that's cool
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Post by Fusilier on Apr 29, 2010 22:36:38 GMT -5
>> Well how come its not available in the States then?? Thats not cool! Sorry Bob, not sure what you mean? I haven't recieved the AEG yet, just saying they never charged my card, at least it hasn't shown up except as a pending charge. I guess I did it with paypal. Their message to me reads: You authorised a payment of $385.00 USD to UN COMPANYThanks for using PayPal. Please note that this is not a charge. Your account will be charged when the merchant processes your payment. You may receive multiple emails as the merchant processes your order.
Your funds will be transferred when the merchant processes your payment. Any money in your PayPal account at that time will be used before any other payment source.
To see the full transaction details, log in to your PayPal account.
It may take a few moments for this transaction to appear in your account."I don't think UN has processeed the payment so that's cool >>> OH, you didn't? No,I meant it was uncool of THEM to sell it where you are and not in the States. BUT, you didn't receive it either so...
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Post by sarge12 on Apr 29, 2010 22:38:23 GMT -5
I tried to contact BlackBear Airsoft, but my computer says that it is an invalid address.
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Post by kalbs on Apr 29, 2010 22:56:03 GMT -5
I'm headed to Mong kok this afternoon (Playing hooky..shhhh...) so maybe I can get some information from the vendors like Cop9gun. Maybe Maxim knows more since he's a manufacturer and has stuff built in china?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 30, 2010 16:51:05 GMT -5
Kalps that would be terrific. It's great having you as a source in China with your contacts. I am assuming Matrix is on the up and up and simply exeriencing production delays.
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Post by kalbs on Apr 30, 2010 19:03:38 GMT -5
- I asked the guys at Cop9gun and they said they did get some JG stuff in last week but shipments are still behind. - The MG42? Christmas...Maybe. - I spotted the ARES PPSh in the window of a few shops but display only, Den Trinity is saying expect 4 weeks before delivery. Looks nice but too nice, not as Soviet produced looking as the Hexagon. - Guns&guys has Maxim's Hexagon PPSh on display as well but no stock yet. - Gunner wasn't open so I didn't see about the spare drum mag. - Finally got more spare SRC MP40 magazines. The SRC MP40 is back in stock - Viva M1919A4 is being sold in several shops. Being an owner of a real parts kit the Viva model doesn't cut the mustard for me.
BAR?... what BAR?
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Post by Fusilier on Apr 30, 2010 19:26:36 GMT -5
BAR?... what BAR? >>
Oh boy...:-(
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Post by sarge12 on Apr 30, 2010 22:04:44 GMT -5
Kalbs, how do you get airsoft guns when they are illegal in PRC
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Post by sarge12 on Apr 30, 2010 22:24:33 GMT -5
i thought they were in China
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Post by kalbs on Apr 30, 2010 22:32:43 GMT -5
Kalbs, how do you get airsoft guns when they are illegal in PRC I live in Hong Kong which is a "Special Admin Region" (SAR) of the PRC. If you recall history Hong Kong was part of the British Empire under a lease from China until 1997, which when it was then handed back to China after the lease expired. Hong Kong Governs itself until 2047 and Air soft is 100% legal here as is Taiwan and Macao, China's other non-PRC Governed regions. (Although Taiwan was never a lease but the last bastion of the old China Government) This is why Companies such as King Arms, SRC, G&G, G&P, ARES and etc are not effected because they are not fully made in China (although parts maybe) Sorry for the long winded answer.
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