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Post by sarge12 on Apr 30, 2010 22:39:01 GMT -5
Nah, I understand now. Thank you. What airsoft companies were in illegal China though, was BlackBear?
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Post by Fusilier on Apr 30, 2010 22:41:13 GMT -5
Kalbs, how do you get airsoft guns when they are illegal in PRC I live in Hong Kong which is a "Special Admin Region" (SAR) of the PRC. If you recall history Hong Kong was part of the British Empire under a lease from China until 1997, which when it was then handed back to China after the lease expired. Hong Kong Governs itself until 2047 and Air soft is 100% legal here as is Taiwan and Macao, China's other non-PRC Governed regions. (Although Taiwan was never a lease but the last bastion of the old China Government) This is why Companies such as King Arms, SRC, G&G, G&P, ARES and etc are not effected because they are not fully made in China (although parts maybe) Sorry for the long winded answer. >> But they are affected if the Ares PPSH keeps getting pushed back. I lost track of when this is due out. Glad I got my Hexagon one! And Kalbs, please let us know when extra drums are available.
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Post by CptJericho on Apr 30, 2010 22:41:53 GMT -5
I never knew that hong kong was being leased to china from england til 1997 , you learn something new here everyday. Thats unbelievable that they didn't know about BAR, it sounds like evike scamming everyone.
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Post by kalbs on May 1, 2010 8:43:48 GMT -5
The other way bro, England had leased if from China until 1997. I don't think Evike is scamming anyone. Evike just like other US and EU airsoft dealers will sometimes sponser the manufacturing of a specific gun. This is probably the case here too. Evike is a good company, I just think like others and even those in Hong Kong there is something going on with the China deliveries. I hope just like everyone else that BAR comes out.... now June? Blackbear: www.bbairsoft.net/...and is ACMGear the same company as Evike? www.acmgear.com/product_info.php?products_id=506
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Post by springfieldarmory on May 1, 2010 9:46:45 GMT -5
I don't think they're the same, because they stock spare mags, and Evike said that they can't (for a while)
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Post by malone36 on May 1, 2010 15:48:35 GMT -5
Does anyone have the answer as to why the price keeps fluctuating between $250-$330? I've preordered this and want to know if I'm going to be charged extra or reimbursed some money for this..
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Post by gunner29 on May 1, 2010 21:19:30 GMT -5
I've emailed and talked to customer service. You pay the price it was when you pre-odered it. That's one thing the customer service guys agree on.
The magazine quantity is another story. I've been told 2, 3, 4, and 5 mags.
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Post by Fusilier on May 1, 2010 22:09:03 GMT -5
I swear,this gun better be worth all the BS we've had to deal with! I'm ALMOST wishing I dropped the over 1 grand on the VFC gun! ALMOST!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2010 23:24:42 GMT -5
gents,
as someone that manufactures products in China to the tune of about 150 per year, I can tell you this is all VERY NORMAL. Delays are common place with manufacturing for a variety of reasons, most pretty innocent. I have lost count on the number of Items we have shipped later than originally intended. In some cases as many as 6-8 months later. The only caveat being we do not take payment on an item until were shipping it. I imagine Evikes outlook is they are small, and if they do not lock in a customer, the risk of having many folks bail out while they hold the inventory on the back end is too great for them to bear. I assure you folks cancel orders with a general alarming rate [ and often with little in the way of courtesy], so its very easy to get stung as a vendor
I too have a BAR on pre-order and figured the release date originally listed was plus or minus several month's. I'm sure as an importer Evike got information they felt they could rely on and delay's in china have put them in an awkward position. I believe you live and die by your customer service, and its unfortunate that some of you have gotten a shorter stick than you would have hoped. I'm also fairly sure that Evike is like many small companies in that they have limited staff and resources and when a difficult issue like this comes out, they can only do so much to try to keep it on track.
While I could be let down in the end like many others here, I rely on the basic principle that Evike is a business and with that in mind I'm fairly sure there only hope in this is to get the guns, clear the inventory, make the sale. So if they cannot come through as advertised , believe me they will be as upset and at the ultimate mercy of the manufacturing process as the rest of us.
The best part really is already on the table, if your uncomfortable with the gamble, take your chips off the table by requesting a refund, something they seem willing to accommodate.
Tg THE REGIMENT
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Post by malone36 on May 1, 2010 23:43:28 GMT -5
Thank you for the answer gunner29. I'm almost to the point of where Fusilier since this is the second item from Evike I've had trouble with the pre-ordering deal. I'm still waiting for a mask I ordered for my brother. I have faith though that when this BAR comes out it will have been worth the wait and mess most of us have had to endure
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 3, 2010 14:49:13 GMT -5
Thanks Tom for your insight and reassurance. I remain confident that in the long run things will work out and I'll get my BARs. Recently airsoft items from China seem to be delayed or unavailable and since we are a world of instant gratification it is frustrating. I have to remind myself that all things airsoft are "wants" not "needs".
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Post by CptJericho on May 3, 2010 19:23:25 GMT -5
I think the wait is worth it for a much cheaper B.A.R.
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Post by kalbs on May 3, 2010 21:39:49 GMT -5
January to June is a long wait already and without guarantees. My concerns is the whole China picture, not just a BAR. My fingers are crossed.
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Post by Gordak on May 12, 2010 21:42:33 GMT -5
comparing the innokatsu m60 VN to the A+K m60 VN, I am totally happy paying the HUGE cash for the innokatsu, the difference is MASSIVE, I think the Innokatsu may have been made almost too well LOL. Im hoping this B.A.R. will be pretty good, but we can assume it will be spray painted black, pot metal cast with poor detail and if it is wood, its going to be something really cheap. Im glad I got my original bakelite stock before prices went nutz. -Gordak
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Post by Fusilier on May 12, 2010 22:13:50 GMT -5
comparing the innokatsu m60 VN to the A+K m60 VN, I am totally happy paying the HUGE cash for the innokatsu, the difference is MASSIVE, I think the Innokatsu may have been made almost too well LOL. Im hoping this B.A.R. will be pretty good, but we can assume it will be spray painted black, pot metal cast with poor detail and if it is wood, its going to be something really cheap. Im glad I got my original bakelite stock before prices went nutz. -Gordak >> OK Mister buzzkill...
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 12, 2010 23:29:08 GMT -5
I e-mailed Evike yesterday redquesting an update and asked what the current offer was for those leaving their pre-order intact. The response was crytic and unclear. They said "The rifle is delayed and won't be available June" I asked for clarity if they meant to say "Until June or In June" I will be curious to see how they respond. They said in addition to the initial offer which included two magazines the pre-orders will get three additional mid cap magazines. That sweetens the pot somewhat although I sure hope June is the actual delicery date! I'll keep you posted on what they say. I wish they were more pro-active about keeping us all informed instead of having to seek information or learning things in Forums!
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Post by kalbs on May 13, 2010 7:09:08 GMT -5
What... is it snowing in heII yet?
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Post by Gordak on May 13, 2010 12:46:04 GMT -5
hehehe funny kalbs, bob, Im not trying to dis it, This B.a.r. going to look and be awesome, just like the A+K 60 is still an m60, way worth the price I am certain. (Ive got 2 matrix ordered, and my vfc is in peices because it keeps screwing up) -Gordak
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Post by Fusilier on May 13, 2010 13:51:38 GMT -5
hehehe funny kalbs, bob, Im not trying to dis it, This B.a.r. going to look and be awesome, just like the A+K 60 is still an m60, way worth the price I am certain. (Ive got 2 matrix ordered, and my vfc is in peices because it keeps screwing up) -Gordak >>> Say it ain't so Sam! From what I've heard on this forum thaVFC BAR is the UBER gun!! You must've gotten a knock of,cuz the GREAT $$$$ VFC BAR can never screw up! It's the perfect AS gun!! the horror!!
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 13, 2010 16:01:19 GMT -5
The VFC BAR is truly as outstanding as everyone says. The materials are exceptional, the appearance is flawless and the serviceability is very very good. However it is an airsoft gun. The front handguard tends to wobble (unless adressed) and it shoots out of the box at around 300 FPS (Unless upgraded) My guess (and gamble since I have two ordered as well) is that the Matrix BAR will be less quality than the VFC but will shoot much harder out of the box than the VFC.
My A&K M-60 is not the gun my VFC M60 was, but at the price (lless than 1/3rd the price of the VFC) constitutes an excellent value and is as mentioned a Namish M-60 that works and thus far has held up quite well.
While my patience is growing thin on the BAR I am still exceited to hopefully someday have it. I sold my VFC BAR thinking the A&K was "just around the corner" only to be without an M60 for over a year and half. Two functioning M60s for less money than the one VFC was enough of a value to make the wait worthwhile especially since the M60s are mostly loaner, issue weapons for RECONDO and other Nam events.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 14, 2010 14:13:05 GMT -5
Here is the latest from Evike:
Dear Customer, We do not have a exact ETA date for the BAR at this time. We are looking to be getting the item in stock mid to late June. I am sorry that we can not provide you an exact date. Feel free to contact us if you have any questions. It's not much, but at least it's something.
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Post by Fusilier on May 14, 2010 15:06:44 GMT -5
Here is the latest from Evike: Dear Customer, We do not have a exact ETA date for the BAR at this time. We are looking to be getting the item in stock mid to late June. I am sorry that we can not provide you an exact date. Feel free to contact us if you have any questions. It's not much, but at least it's something. >> I'm underwhelmed at this point... Bastards.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 14, 2010 22:02:56 GMT -5
I think Evike is as in the dark as the rest of us truthfully. I wonder however who is holding the pre-order funds at this point?
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Post by Guinness on May 14, 2010 22:07:55 GMT -5
Oh you can bet your terracotta army that they have already spent that money and it would be damaging to them if we all quit the deal and wanted our money back at the same time...
I'm still waiting patiently, somewhat less patiently, but still waiting. ACMGear, the other reseller, still has "May" listed on their site for these...
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Post by Fusilier on May 14, 2010 22:20:55 GMT -5
Nice Terracotta Army reference! :-)
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Post by sanpablo on May 15, 2010 17:33:51 GMT -5
I believe the most unsettling thing about this BAR is the complete lack of information, or indeed proof.
The only information we have is found on the Evike site and really tells us nothing about the replica.
To me, this is Evikes placeholder. They needed to throw some extra text in there so they made some applesauce up which is applicable to just about anything a supplier sent them.
Also disturbing is the company listed by Evike as "Matrix". Basically, matrix is what they call their imports. People have ordered things from evike labeled "Matrix" and recieved JG or Dboys or CYMA products. While this doesnt speak to the quality of the replicas, it goes to show that we have no smurfing Idea who makes this applesauce . In fact, Evike used to be known as MatrixBB.com.
Next come the Specifications. As one previous poster said of the VFC BAR: "The materials are exceptional". Now, given that fact, and given the fact that the China BAR costs only $300 to produce tells me that the materials used will be not nearly the quality of the VFC. That being the case, shouldnt that mean that the China BAR would weigh significantly less than the VFC? However all sources of info on the China BAR suggest it to be just about identical to the VFC. I think its safe to assume they have no idea what they are talking about.
Lastly are the pictures. This is one of the only Airsoft replicas I have ever seen that has no prototype or production photos, no pre-release review or sneak-peeks etc. In fact, the only photos we have are of the VFC BAR. If Evike had been recieving photos from the manufacturer as proof of services rendered, they would post them for customers to see.
Personally, I dont think Evike is scamming anyone. If anything, I think they are either being scammed themselves or dealing with a truly horrid manufacturer. That being said, I dont think Id stake any of MY money due to the uncertain future of this product.
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Post by mash328 on May 16, 2010 11:15:45 GMT -5
true that!! Being a high school student getting ready for college, paying 300$ for a gun with the lack of details in truly scary, but personally i think the wait and Bullapplesauce will be worth it in the long run
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Post by p51ace on May 19, 2010 20:09:30 GMT -5
Ya i agree with mash and i wouldn't normally put a thing like this on preorder with so little info but I NEEEEEDDD a BAR + 2nd bat would you give a discount on your M1s if the are ordered "in bulk"
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 20, 2010 0:00:17 GMT -5
I guess you'd need to define bulk? PM me with any questions and let's keep this thread on the BAR.
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Post by mash328 on May 25, 2010 7:03:38 GMT -5
is anyone as pissed as me when we found out that it was delayed till loosely specified "June"? Also if it is truely a VFC clone, then what upgrades internally would you say be possible to make it better internally?
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